@autistics #ActuallyAutistic recently made the mistake of commenting on an IG post and i took issue with someone calling autism a disorder…
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@autistics #ActuallyAutistic recently made the mistake of commenting on an IG post and i took issue with someone calling autism a disorder…
…i was then scolded that the "community" considers disorder and disability to be the same thing…
…i responded that disorder should be replaced with condition since disorder is inherently negative and leads to othering…
…am i alone in thinking disorder is not the same as disability?
@filmfreak75 @autistics
Well you are partly right, and leaning in the right direction. Autism is neither a disorder nor a disability. It just simply is. -
@filmfreak75 @autistics
Well you are partly right, and leaning in the right direction. Autism is neither a disorder nor a disability. It just simply is.@bardmoss as long as there are legal implications re services and rights, it needs a
classification and that should not be disorder -
@bardmoss as long as there are legal implications re services and rights, it needs a
classification and that should not be disorder@filmfreak75 @autistics
Does "diagnosis" work for you? -
@filmfreak75 @autistics
Does "diagnosis" work for you?@bardmoss from a medical and legal perspective that doesn’t mean anything since everything is a diagnosis
not debating it should be considered just basic human variance but that’s not the world we live in
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@autistics #ActuallyAutistic recently made the mistake of commenting on an IG post and i took issue with someone calling autism a disorder…
…i was then scolded that the "community" considers disorder and disability to be the same thing…
…i responded that disorder should be replaced with condition since disorder is inherently negative and leads to othering…
…am i alone in thinking disorder is not the same as disability?
@filmfreak75 @autistics They're clearly not the same.
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@filmfreak75 @autistics
Does "diagnosis" work for you?My diagnosis certificate here in Italy says "Autistic neurodivergent functioning level 1"
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My diagnosis certificate here in Italy says "Autistic neurodivergent functioning level 1"
@ziriuz84 that’s interesting — the US doesn’t use the World Health Organization manual so we have irksome variances
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@filmfreak75 @autistics
Does "diagnosis" work for you?@bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics being autistic is a disability under the social model of disability. This means that there is nothing inherently wrong with someone who's disabled, but that they are being disabled by a society not built for them. The way walkers would be disabled by a hypothetical society of wheelchair users who would build all ceilings to fit sitting people, or the way hearing folks not fluent in Sign Language might be in a Deaf event where all communication is done by signing.
So autism is definitely a disability, because we are being disabled by the allistic majority.
Re: disorder, I also think this kind of language is unhelpful and offensive, probably for all the conditions or ways of being described as "disorder". Like you can also be borderline or bipolar without calling it a disorder. And of course this goes for just being part of a neurological minority, such as being autistic, and I'm still waiting for ADHD folks to tell me what to call them without the deficit and disorder language.
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@bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics being autistic is a disability under the social model of disability. This means that there is nothing inherently wrong with someone who's disabled, but that they are being disabled by a society not built for them. The way walkers would be disabled by a hypothetical society of wheelchair users who would build all ceilings to fit sitting people, or the way hearing folks not fluent in Sign Language might be in a Deaf event where all communication is done by signing.
So autism is definitely a disability, because we are being disabled by the allistic majority.
Re: disorder, I also think this kind of language is unhelpful and offensive, probably for all the conditions or ways of being described as "disorder". Like you can also be borderline or bipolar without calling it a disorder. And of course this goes for just being part of a neurological minority, such as being autistic, and I'm still waiting for ADHD folks to tell me what to call them without the deficit and disorder language.
@Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics I gently disagree on autism only disabling me under the social model.
There are things that would just happen even in a society which was built around autists; changes of plan, the sun & wind existing, animals making noise, other people whose own neurotypes create things I experience as problems.I personally am disabled by autism itself. It would be reduced in an accessible society, but not solved
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@autistics #ActuallyAutistic recently made the mistake of commenting on an IG post and i took issue with someone calling autism a disorder…
…i was then scolded that the "community" considers disorder and disability to be the same thing…
…i responded that disorder should be replaced with condition since disorder is inherently negative and leads to othering…
…am i alone in thinking disorder is not the same as disability?
@filmfreak75 @autistics I agree that they are not the same. Firstly I suspect it's possible to be disabled and not have a disorder, unless the same people are also claiming that every single diagnosis of everything is a disorder.
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@autistics #ActuallyAutistic recently made the mistake of commenting on an IG post and i took issue with someone calling autism a disorder…
…i was then scolded that the "community" considers disorder and disability to be the same thing…
…i responded that disorder should be replaced with condition since disorder is inherently negative and leads to othering…
…am i alone in thinking disorder is not the same as disability?
@filmfreak75 @autistics I feel like it is a disorder but for me, I don’t feel especially disabled. But I’m speaking as a recently diagnosed autistic so I acknowledge a strong sense of ableism here. I suspect that my opinion will shift over time.
However, I don’t agree with gate keeping. It should be a personal choice and reflect the individual, not a blanket to encompass all of us.
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@Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics I gently disagree on autism only disabling me under the social model.
There are things that would just happen even in a society which was built around autists; changes of plan, the sun & wind existing, animals making noise, other people whose own neurotypes create things I experience as problems.I personally am disabled by autism itself. It would be reduced in an accessible society, but not solved
@alexisbushnell @Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics
I agree… even alone autism is disabling and I need help for basic living needs. -
@Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics I gently disagree on autism only disabling me under the social model.
There are things that would just happen even in a society which was built around autists; changes of plan, the sun & wind existing, animals making noise, other people whose own neurotypes create things I experience as problems.I personally am disabled by autism itself. It would be reduced in an accessible society, but not solved
@alexisbushnell @Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics
We are all disabled by autism, to some extent. And a few of us are lucky enough to have one or two autistic 'superpowers' too. It's the luck of the draw, I'm afraid.
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@filmfreak75 @autistics
Definitely not the same. And whilst autism is in many ways, mostly structural, a disability, it is definitely not a disorder.@pathfinder @filmfreak75 @autistics I don't feel disordered. I like the way my brain works. The problem is one of acceptance and inclusion.
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@Gal_they @bardmoss @filmfreak75 @autistics I gently disagree on autism only disabling me under the social model.
There are things that would just happen even in a society which was built around autists; changes of plan, the sun & wind existing, animals making noise, other people whose own neurotypes create things I experience as problems.I personally am disabled by autism itself. It would be reduced in an accessible society, but not solved
@pathfinder @alexisbushnell Thank you for expressing this probably better than I could. I live in a fully neurodivergent household, but even still, I sometimes find my autism to be disabling.
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