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  3. everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h.

everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h.

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  • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

    bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
    • dynamically elegant,
    • mechanically simple,
    • energetically near-optimal, and
    • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

    YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

    with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

    #BikeMaxxing

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    #104

    @adub It may be that more people than you think can cycle, if you're not already aware of You Can Bike Too. https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/ycbt
    #Cambridge

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    • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

      bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
      • dynamically elegant,
      • mechanically simple,
      • energetically near-optimal, and
      • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

      YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

      with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

      #BikeMaxxing

      yaqubpk@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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      #105

      @adub In our city riding a bicycle is like renting your lungs to all the air pollutants

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      • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

        bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
        • dynamically elegant,
        • mechanically simple,
        • energetically near-optimal, and
        • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

        YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

        with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

        #BikeMaxxing

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        #106

        @adub we should create save roads for bicycles and there would be many more people and kids who would use them - for most ppl I talked about cycling and everyday use it is not rain or snow that keeps them from using a bike.
        It is the danger of other traffic, especially cars & trucks. This is also the most frequent cause of death of cyclists.

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        • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

          bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
          • dynamically elegant,
          • mechanically simple,
          • energetically near-optimal, and
          • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

          YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

          with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

          #BikeMaxxing

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          failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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          #107

          @adub

          this is so much fun

          when the bicycle was invented, there were probably 10 other things people tried - skateboards, etc, and the bicylce survived cause it is the only form that hits all the benefits you mention

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          • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

            everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h. if you fall off, you're going to have facial trauma at a minimum. just ask my 50-something brother who got stuck with a big dental bill. ALWAYS wear a FULL FACE HELMET on these things - a bike helmet isn't enough. and NEVER EVER ride with MORE THAN ONE RIDER on board.

            https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/e-scooters-pediatrician-survey-9.7305210

            #Physics #SafetyFirst

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            #108

            @adub @Anibyl I see people riding these through busy traffic while going faster than cars. Tiny bike helmets, no seat belts...

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            • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

              everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h. if you fall off, you're going to have facial trauma at a minimum. just ask my 50-something brother who got stuck with a big dental bill. ALWAYS wear a FULL FACE HELMET on these things - a bike helmet isn't enough. and NEVER EVER ride with MORE THAN ONE RIDER on board.

              https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/e-scooters-pediatrician-survey-9.7305210

              #Physics #SafetyFirst

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              #109

              @adub

              The speed and wheel size makes me really nervous.

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                #110

                @Wyatt_H_Knott yeah, it would be a mighty steep cognitive challenge for an 8yo to understand that risk correctly. i'll stick my neck out and call it a major parenting fail

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                • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                  @adub

                  The speed and wheel size makes me really nervous.

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                  #111

                  @gbargoud your intuition is spot-on 🎯

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                  • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                    Take it from a professional physicist. (Note: physics is the branch of knowledge involved in road accident reconstruction.)

                    E-scooters are generally much less inherently stable than bicycles, especially at low to moderate speeds. A bicycle possesses several passive self-stabilizing mechanisms that scooters either lack or possess only weakly. As a result, scooters demand more active balance control from the rider and are less forgiving of bumps, steering errors, and surface irregularities.

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                    #112

                    @adub But the rider must be part of the equation. I feel like 50 years on skateboards help my command of scooters.

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                      #113

                      @adub Mmm. My school bike, a reward for passing the 11+ and going to grammar school was a 'tourer' with Sturmey Archer 3 speed. It did improve in the VIth form when I got a recon 'racer' with 5 speed derailleur gear, but it was still too hard to be fun. I got a moped instead, then a mighty BSA Bantam.

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                      • kawentzmann@fairmove.netK kawentzmann@fairmove.net

                        @adub But the rider must be part of the equation. I feel like 50 years on skateboards help my command of scooters.

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                        #114

                        @kawentzmann oh for sure, being secure on a skateboard helps a lot! i am not an experienced stakeboarder but i can ride a longboard and even that helps

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                        • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                          @kawentzmann oh for sure, being secure on a skateboard helps a lot! i am not an experienced stakeboarder but i can ride a longboard and even that helps

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                          #115

                          @adub Yes in fact, I count in longboards. I switched to longer decks myself in the 90s and currently have boards of various lengths.

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                          • pthane@toot.walesP pthane@toot.wales

                            @adub Mmm. My school bike, a reward for passing the 11+ and going to grammar school was a 'tourer' with Sturmey Archer 3 speed. It did improve in the VIth form when I got a recon 'racer' with 5 speed derailleur gear, but it was still too hard to be fun. I got a moped instead, then a mighty BSA Bantam.

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                            #116

                            @pthane my first bike had a Sturmey Archer 3-gear too! it was not built for the hill my parents lived on but was great on the more-or-less flat. my next bike was a 12-gear and i could get up that hill in first if i stood on the pedals and (ahem) tacked up the very steepest bit 😄

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                              #117

                              @adub @pthane I see a number of people around my area who don't seem to use gears very well. I sometimes see people pedalling super fast in an easy gear or really slowly in a way harder than necessary gear on flats.

                              There is of course, a but of preference when choosing a gear and getting a cadence you feel comfortable with, but I've seen what seemed like extremes.

                              Oh, and grown adults on tiny bmx bikes, which I can't imagine is comfortable to commute with.

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                              • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                                Take it from a professional physicist. (Note: physics is the branch of knowledge involved in road accident reconstruction.)

                                E-scooters are generally much less inherently stable than bicycles, especially at low to moderate speeds. A bicycle possesses several passive self-stabilizing mechanisms that scooters either lack or possess only weakly. As a result, scooters demand more active balance control from the rider and are less forgiving of bumps, steering errors, and surface irregularities.

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                                #118

                                @adub How good are e-scooters at doing emergency stops? - just offhand I can't see how they could work at all.

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                                • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                  @adub It may be that more people than you think can cycle, if you're not already aware of You Can Bike Too. https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/ycbt
                                  #Cambridge

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                                  #119

                                  @TimWardCam @adub Thanks for that, Tim. What an amazing selection of vehicles! I'll pass it on to a few pettishly interested people

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                                  • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

                                    @adub @pthane I see a number of people around my area who don't seem to use gears very well. I sometimes see people pedalling super fast in an easy gear or really slowly in a way harder than necessary gear on flats.

                                    There is of course, a but of preference when choosing a gear and getting a cadence you feel comfortable with, but I've seen what seemed like extremes.

                                    Oh, and grown adults on tiny bmx bikes, which I can't imagine is comfortable to commute with.

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                                    #120

                                    @nieuemma @adub I think there was, still is, something wrong with my physiology that just doesn't suit bikes. Or for that matter running. Too old now but in the past I could walk all day. 10 mins on a bike or a 100m run and I'd be gasping for breath.

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