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  3. everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h.

everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h.

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  • lunadragofelis@void.lgbtL lunadragofelis@void.lgbt
    @adub I'm a fan of (unmotorized) kick scooters too. It's easier to trip on them than on a bike, but as you're already in a standing position you'll often be able to run the momentum off or just scrape the knee when falling, versus falling much farther and in a less advantageous position on a bicycle.

    Also here in Germany, kick scooters count as free hand luggage on most buses and trains, whereas bicycles have restrictions during rush hour and require a whole second ticket just for the bike. And e-scooters have been banned completely by many local transit operators because a few shit-quality ones went up in flames and there's apparently no reliable safety certification system to allow specifically safe quality scooters.
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    #101
    @LunaDragofelis @adub How are folding bicycles considered?
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    • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
      @LunaDragofelis @adub How are folding bicycles considered?
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      #102
      @lispi314 @adub I think they're considered hand luggage if the tire diameter is 20 inches or less

      (tires and display screen diagonals are basically the only thing measured in inches (Zoll) in Germany)
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      • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

        bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
        • dynamically elegant,
        • mechanically simple,
        • energetically near-optimal, and
        • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

        YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

        with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

        #BikeMaxxing

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        #103

        @adub I love the hashtag!

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        • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

          bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
          • dynamically elegant,
          • mechanically simple,
          • energetically near-optimal, and
          • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

          YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

          with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

          #BikeMaxxing

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          #104

          @adub It may be that more people than you think can cycle, if you're not already aware of You Can Bike Too. https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/ycbt
          #Cambridge

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          • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

            bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
            • dynamically elegant,
            • mechanically simple,
            • energetically near-optimal, and
            • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

            YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

            with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

            #BikeMaxxing

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            #105

            @adub In our city riding a bicycle is like renting your lungs to all the air pollutants

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            • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

              bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
              • dynamically elegant,
              • mechanically simple,
              • energetically near-optimal, and
              • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

              YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

              with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

              #BikeMaxxing

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              #106

              @adub we should create save roads for bicycles and there would be many more people and kids who would use them - for most ppl I talked about cycling and everyday use it is not rain or snow that keeps them from using a bike.
              It is the danger of other traffic, especially cars & trucks. This is also the most frequent cause of death of cyclists.

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              • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                bicycles have always struck physicists (e.g. me!) as almost miraculous. they are simultaneously:
                • dynamically elegant,
                • mechanically simple,
                • energetically near-optimal, and
                • extraordinarily cheap, as a conveyance.

                YES I DO LOVE BICYCLES. so should everyone, tbh.

                with the added proviso that not everyone can ride a bicycle and that's OK. humanity will always need other transportation options. we just aren't anywhere close to bikemaxxing yet and we should be.

                #BikeMaxxing

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                failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to
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                #107

                @adub

                this is so much fun

                when the bicycle was invented, there were probably 10 other things people tried - skateboards, etc, and the bicylce survived cause it is the only form that hits all the benefits you mention

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                • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                  everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h. if you fall off, you're going to have facial trauma at a minimum. just ask my 50-something brother who got stuck with a big dental bill. ALWAYS wear a FULL FACE HELMET on these things - a bike helmet isn't enough. and NEVER EVER ride with MORE THAN ONE RIDER on board.

                  https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/e-scooters-pediatrician-survey-9.7305210

                  #Physics #SafetyFirst

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                  #108

                  @adub @Anibyl I see people riding these through busy traffic while going faster than cars. Tiny bike helmets, no seat belts...

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                  • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                    everyone should realize that e-scooters are a physically risky form of transport, especially when driven above about 20km/h. if you fall off, you're going to have facial trauma at a minimum. just ask my 50-something brother who got stuck with a big dental bill. ALWAYS wear a FULL FACE HELMET on these things - a bike helmet isn't enough. and NEVER EVER ride with MORE THAN ONE RIDER on board.

                    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/e-scooters-pediatrician-survey-9.7305210

                    #Physics #SafetyFirst

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                    #109

                    @adub

                    The speed and wheel size makes me really nervous.

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                      #110

                      @Wyatt_H_Knott yeah, it would be a mighty steep cognitive challenge for an 8yo to understand that risk correctly. i'll stick my neck out and call it a major parenting fail

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                      • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

                        @adub

                        The speed and wheel size makes me really nervous.

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                        #111

                        @gbargoud your intuition is spot-on 🎯

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                        • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                          Take it from a professional physicist. (Note: physics is the branch of knowledge involved in road accident reconstruction.)

                          E-scooters are generally much less inherently stable than bicycles, especially at low to moderate speeds. A bicycle possesses several passive self-stabilizing mechanisms that scooters either lack or possess only weakly. As a result, scooters demand more active balance control from the rider and are less forgiving of bumps, steering errors, and surface irregularities.

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                          #112

                          @adub But the rider must be part of the equation. I feel like 50 years on skateboards help my command of scooters.

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                            #113

                            @adub Mmm. My school bike, a reward for passing the 11+ and going to grammar school was a 'tourer' with Sturmey Archer 3 speed. It did improve in the VIth form when I got a recon 'racer' with 5 speed derailleur gear, but it was still too hard to be fun. I got a moped instead, then a mighty BSA Bantam.

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                            • kawentzmann@fairmove.netK kawentzmann@fairmove.net

                              @adub But the rider must be part of the equation. I feel like 50 years on skateboards help my command of scooters.

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                              #114

                              @kawentzmann oh for sure, being secure on a skateboard helps a lot! i am not an experienced stakeboarder but i can ride a longboard and even that helps

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                              • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                                @kawentzmann oh for sure, being secure on a skateboard helps a lot! i am not an experienced stakeboarder but i can ride a longboard and even that helps

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                                #115

                                @adub Yes in fact, I count in longboards. I switched to longer decks myself in the 90s and currently have boards of various lengths.

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                                • pthane@toot.walesP pthane@toot.wales

                                  @adub Mmm. My school bike, a reward for passing the 11+ and going to grammar school was a 'tourer' with Sturmey Archer 3 speed. It did improve in the VIth form when I got a recon 'racer' with 5 speed derailleur gear, but it was still too hard to be fun. I got a moped instead, then a mighty BSA Bantam.

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                                  #116

                                  @pthane my first bike had a Sturmey Archer 3-gear too! it was not built for the hill my parents lived on but was great on the more-or-less flat. my next bike was a 12-gear and i could get up that hill in first if i stood on the pedals and (ahem) tacked up the very steepest bit 😄

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                                    #117

                                    @adub @pthane I see a number of people around my area who don't seem to use gears very well. I sometimes see people pedalling super fast in an easy gear or really slowly in a way harder than necessary gear on flats.

                                    There is of course, a but of preference when choosing a gear and getting a cadence you feel comfortable with, but I've seen what seemed like extremes.

                                    Oh, and grown adults on tiny bmx bikes, which I can't imagine is comfortable to commute with.

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                                    • adub@beige.partyA adub@beige.party

                                      Take it from a professional physicist. (Note: physics is the branch of knowledge involved in road accident reconstruction.)

                                      E-scooters are generally much less inherently stable than bicycles, especially at low to moderate speeds. A bicycle possesses several passive self-stabilizing mechanisms that scooters either lack or possess only weakly. As a result, scooters demand more active balance control from the rider and are less forgiving of bumps, steering errors, and surface irregularities.

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                                      #118

                                      @adub How good are e-scooters at doing emergency stops? - just offhand I can't see how they could work at all.

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                                      • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                        @adub It may be that more people than you think can cycle, if you're not already aware of You Can Bike Too. https://www.miltoncountrypark.org/ycbt
                                        #Cambridge

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                                        #119

                                        @TimWardCam @adub Thanks for that, Tim. What an amazing selection of vehicles! I'll pass it on to a few pettishly interested people

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                                        • nieuemma@mastodon.deN nieuemma@mastodon.de

                                          @adub @pthane I see a number of people around my area who don't seem to use gears very well. I sometimes see people pedalling super fast in an easy gear or really slowly in a way harder than necessary gear on flats.

                                          There is of course, a but of preference when choosing a gear and getting a cadence you feel comfortable with, but I've seen what seemed like extremes.

                                          Oh, and grown adults on tiny bmx bikes, which I can't imagine is comfortable to commute with.

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                                          #120

                                          @nieuemma @adub I think there was, still is, something wrong with my physiology that just doesn't suit bikes. Or for that matter running. Too old now but in the past I could walk all day. 10 mins on a bike or a 100m run and I'd be gasping for breath.

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