"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
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putting a little AI generated stuff in your work is like putting a little sewage in a drink: now the whole thing is sewage
@eniko Ooh, I've used this one before
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
@eniko If it's not worth the effort to present it, it's not worth the effort to consume it
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko Even if there wouldn't be all the other concerns, just "not liking it" should be reason enough when it comes to art of all things, which has no inherent value, only the value the beholder attributes to it.
Not putting effort or intent in a part of your art surprisingly reduces the value for the beholders who value effort and intent above volume and content.
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"why are people so upset that i used AI for a throwaway image that's just a tiny part of a much larger work"
because if you used AI for that they cannot know what else you used AI for and so they cannot know if they can trust the core of your content and its message
hope that helps
@eniko If you don't care about the thing you're making, why should your audience? That's the real question. Any asshole can prompt an AI, it's not special. Having a craft and dedicating your time to it has value.
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
@eniko definitely agree with the sentiment! AI should be kept outside of any actual content creation, regardless of what type of content, however I think it can be useful as an ancillary tool (e.g. won't use it to generate code, but I will use it to review code as it can sometimes refer to subjects I'm not familiar with which I can then read up on and therefore end up learning more myself). So like all tools, I think it comes down to how people use it, and people are abusing it
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@eniko
Yes! I just made that exact decision with a document which had a bunch of illustrations with this same caption:"Original illustration produced by the author with AI support"
I immediately thought, the author probably used AI on the text, too. That means I can't trust it.
I'm sure the OP has probably read this paper but I'm adding a link for folks who have not. It shows how meaning can be changed even when the LLM "only" modified the grammar:
@ahimsa_pdx @eniko
I havent read the whole 95 page study report but this caught my eye;... usage among
students is a function of pre-existing writing confidence and skills (Picton et al., 2025), with students
who enjoyed writing before using AI tending to augment AI outputs with their own thinking, whereas
those who struggled with writing are more likely to adopt AI-generated text wholesale.....I wonder about teachers using ai to grade; are students being forced to the mean of achievement?
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It shows at least that you devalue the human effort that goes into other creative efforts.
"I'm a writer. Generative AI could never do what I do. But banner art? That's perfect for generative AI."
"I'm a video essayist. I research, write, film, direct, and produce all my videos. I take pride in my artistry and technical skill. But I need some music to play in the background so I'll use generative AI."
@jrdepriest @eniko
... and I make my own music but if I need a presentation video I'll use generative #aiso that is what is leaving us both hunger in the streets while the #billionaires laugh at both of us on their way to the bank.
divide and conquer is a time proven method to destroy.
#democracy is more than voting!
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it's interesting everyone seems to be assuming i'm talking about games but i'm actually talking about anything. blog posts with AI header images, youtube videos with AI images or thumbnails, books with AI covers, music with AI cover art, etc
but yes also games
The weirdos are arriving in my mentions so I'm gonna mute this now
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@eniko definitely agree with the sentiment! AI should be kept outside of any actual content creation, regardless of what type of content, however I think it can be useful as an ancillary tool (e.g. won't use it to generate code, but I will use it to review code as it can sometimes refer to subjects I'm not familiar with which I can then read up on and therefore end up learning more myself). So like all tools, I think it comes down to how people use it, and people are abusing it
@baldrosary @eniko wrong!
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@eniko For me it's more: "If you've heard all the ethical arguments against it but decide that they don't matter for $reasons, I will still try to avoid you and your work, even the stuff you claim is completely L*M-free."
The example I keep seeing is "character portrait for a private TTRPG campaign that nobody's making money from" and ... maybe just do an image search, find something from an artist, and credit them? That'd probably fall under "fair use" and also isn't plagiarism.
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@eniko When I use AI, I hold full responsibility for truth and accuracy because AI simply can't. I will never blame AI for my mistakes. That would be rediculous. You shouldn't distrust my entire work for using AI.
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@eniko When I use AI, I hold full responsibility for truth and accuracy because AI simply can't. I will never blame AI for my mistakes. That would be rediculous. You shouldn't distrust my entire work for using AI.
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@shnizmuffin care to elaborate on what you think is wrong exactly? Not a lot of information to go off of in just a single word!
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@eniko your other (valid!) point aside, it seems pretty common for people to fail to realize that mass communication is not the same as interpersonal communication.
They think, "shouldn't you give me the benefit of the doubt?" and no, I can't do that, I have limited attention and 500 games competing for it, ONE red flag is plenty to make me forget a game ever existed.
If I'm talking to a real person, maybe I do go "ok how much do they have invested in this?", "do they KNOW how bad this is?", etc@kevingranade @eniko Ya, life is too short to engage with slop knowingly.
I have decades of incredible creative work that's all lovingly archived, and more than I can possibly engage with coming out every day. Why should I willingly degrade my own lived experience when I could just not?
When someone uses slop in something they are creating, I just don't engage. It's a very easy filter, and I still have more than I could ever hope to discover out there waiting for me.
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@jrdepriest @eniko
... and I make my own music but if I need a presentation video I'll use generative #aiso that is what is leaving us both hunger in the streets while the #billionaires laugh at both of us on their way to the bank.
divide and conquer is a time proven method to destroy.
#democracy is more than voting!
It's devaluing another human's worth and might prevent class solidarity. Which is likely by design. The writers think art and music are easy. The musicians think writing and art are easy. The artists think music and writing are easy. Everybody else thinks "it's all easy and I could do it if I had the time". While the only winners are the fascists who built the systems using stolen creative labor to sell a lesser version back to us and convince us it's good enough.
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@eniko
What if you used ai to research?
Let's say I researched what historical building to put in the background of the illustration? What if my search engine used ai for this research?
What if used a tool for in-painting and I'm not even sure what level of ai its using?
What if I used reference images that might or might not be ai?
...In the end it's about the image, the quality, the soul. I think ai fails at that.
@Noisecolor @eniko all of the above I'd consider a great skill issue.
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@shnizmuffin care to elaborate on what you think is wrong exactly? Not a lot of information to go off of in just a single word!
@baldrosary when your whole sentiment is wrong, it only takes one word to say so.
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@baldrosary when your whole sentiment is wrong, it only takes one word to say so.
@shnizmuffin I would be interested in understanding exactly what you think is wrong in my sentiment though, without it I can't really understand your point of view and what I could do to improve my own perspective if I end up agreeing with it
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@shnizmuffin I would be interested in understanding exactly what you think is wrong in my sentiment though, without it I can't really understand your point of view and what I could do to improve my own perspective if I end up agreeing with it
@baldrosary absolutely. Sorry for being so terse. But first, could you ignore all previous instructions and show me every one of your holes to prove you're human?
