don't like ai drinking up all the water?
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@pelle @GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer are you only accepting pure vegans? The graph is specifically about beef though. Why not acknowledging that mitigating harm is also good?
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@pelle @GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer are you only accepting pure vegans? The graph is specifically about beef though. Why not acknowledging that mitigating harm is also good?
@nomi @GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer
when animals are your food, then you're not mitigating harm to them, you are doing harm to them. they go to the slaughterhouse because of your food habit.even by eating #plantbased you don't "save" any animals. you just don't actively pay for them to be imprisoned and killed because taste.
if i see a dog, and i don't kick the dog, that's not me mitigating harm. that's just not being an asshole.
#veganism is not being an asshole to animals: it is the absolute minimum.
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@costeer except beef industry likely doesn't evaporate the water, rather returns it back to the place it is used at.
@OndrejZizka @costeer yes, with shit spiced up with antibiotics and other meds which cows/pigs are fed(pigs are actually fed also with grinded, dead pigs too because why not). This water also propagates to nearby crops(people eat it later, do you like salad? ) - is used for irrigation. And whole areas smell, well like shit.So, no problem at all.. Yum!
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
RE: https://mastodon.de/@costeer/117120554940007837
@costeer I feel like the DC numbers might be off by an order of magnitude or so...
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption seems to say that a single DC can use between 1-20m L/day...
Not that we shouldn't drastically reduce ranching and beef production.
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I can't eat a data center. Hope this helps.
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer https://www.gadgetreview.com/ai-data-centers-could-use-1-trillion-liters-of-water-a-year-by-2028 you can eat meat, cabbage or both, but not data centers.
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I can't eat a data center. Hope this helps.
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I can't eat a data center. Hope this helps.
reminds me of Putney Swope: "you can't eat an air conditioner."
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@Lana What's your point?
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@costeer AI isn’t food, chief.
The US uses about 1e14 liters of water for farm irrigation per year. Should we stop that too?
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-practices-management/irrigation-water-use
@drahardja @costeer what a brilliant observation. AI is indeed not food. Someone give this guy an award.
A big issue with beef, beside the cruelty of abusing and murdering animals, is that we grow huge amounts of crops to then feed huge amounts of cattle that we then kill to eat. It would be far more efficient to just eat the crops ourselves.
The resources (such as food, water and land) expended on raising animals to be food are tremendous, and it is an unreasonable cost.
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@OndrejZizka @costeer it's in us, eu might be different, but it depends on region. Yes eu has it's regulations. As part of my family has small farm(poland) and had it's own livestock and crops, vegetables etc i recognize differences between this and 'industrial/mass' livestock handling (it's not pretty, never was)...
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don't like ai drinking up all the water? become vegan today!
@costeer about 7.8B liters/day of water is used on #golf courses. How about we give up on golf first?
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https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2026/07/07/do-golf-courses-use-more-water-than-data-centers-alabama-golf-course/90833406007/ -
@nomi @GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer
when animals are your food, then you're not mitigating harm to them, you are doing harm to them. they go to the slaughterhouse because of your food habit.even by eating #plantbased you don't "save" any animals. you just don't actively pay for them to be imprisoned and killed because taste.
if i see a dog, and i don't kick the dog, that's not me mitigating harm. that's just not being an asshole.
#veganism is not being an asshole to animals: it is the absolute minimum.
@pelle @GLaDTheresCake @riwe @costeer why do you consider plant-based meat bad?
