So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court:
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@david_chisnall Wait, do I understand this right? The EFF supports the AI companies?
@toni Yup. I posted a couple of days ago about the two things I hate most in their filing.
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@toni @david_chisnall Yes. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a tech billionaire lobby group.
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So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court:
- That their products are utterly dependent on work ingested without compensation.
- That their derived product is directly substituting for this work, removing the economic incentive to perform that work in the first place.
Meanwhile, the EFF filed an amicus brief in the case claiming that this use is exactly what was intended by the ‘To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts’ justification for the existence of copyright in the US Constitution.
@david_chisnall You are referring to the ones in 2025, yes? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/artificial-intelligence-copyright-and-fight-user-rights-2025-review
Or did EFF issue newer ones?
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@david_chisnall You are referring to the ones in 2025, yes? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/artificial-intelligence-copyright-and-fight-user-rights-2025-review
Or did EFF issue newer ones?
I’m not sure when they filed it, they boasted about it a week ago.
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So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court:
- That their products are utterly dependent on work ingested without compensation.
- That their derived product is directly substituting for this work, removing the economic incentive to perform that work in the first place.
Meanwhile, the EFF filed an amicus brief in the case claiming that this use is exactly what was intended by the ‘To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts’ justification for the existence of copyright in the US Constitution.
@david_chisnall wait what? the EFF sued open AI? I'm completely out of the loop on this one
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@david_chisnall wait what? the EFF sued open AI? I'm completely out of the loop on this one
No, New York Times sued OpenAI. EFF filed a motion in support of OpenAI.
Their mastodon account boasted about this nine days ago.
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No, New York Times sued OpenAI. EFF filed a motion in support of OpenAI.
Their mastodon account boasted about this nine days ago.
@david_chisnall oof, horrible. Being a copyright maximalist and putting copyright above everything, forgetting how much harm companies have caused in the past by using their legal weight to crush people's artistic expression isn't good, but defending that kind of stuff is gross.
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I’m not sure when they filed it, they boasted about it a week ago.
@david_chisnall Oh yes, indeed. Thanks.
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So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court:
- That their products are utterly dependent on work ingested without compensation.
- That their derived product is directly substituting for this work, removing the economic incentive to perform that work in the first place.
Meanwhile, the EFF filed an amicus brief in the case claiming that this use is exactly what was intended by the ‘To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts’ justification for the existence of copyright in the US Constitution.
@david_chisnall this is one of those Scooby-Doo WTF moments at the end of the episode.
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@toni @david_chisnall Yes. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a tech billionaire lobby group.
@yora @david_chisnall I’m aware of that on a theoretical level, but then I’m still… not surprised, but disappointed every time. Must be that I’m not hearing from them too often.
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So, OpenAI admits two things in disclosures presented to the court:
- That their products are utterly dependent on work ingested without compensation.
- That their derived product is directly substituting for this work, removing the economic incentive to perform that work in the first place.
Meanwhile, the EFF filed an amicus brief in the case claiming that this use is exactly what was intended by the ‘To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts’ justification for the existence of copyright in the US Constitution.
@david_chisnall Wow a self eating loop..
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