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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

    @Mellivora most

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    #9

    @Em0nM4stodon depending where you live, this could be illegal like hippa. Idk though.

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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      @glitterbean If even only one tech-enthusiast doctor reads this, then thinks "Oh gosh, I haven't thought of that before. I will make sure to keep my smart watch at home and never wear it at work! I care about my patients!", then my mission will be accomplished.

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      #10

      @Em0nM4stodon That's what's important. I agree 100%

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

        Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

        You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

        The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

        "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

        Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

        The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

        Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

        This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

        Brace yourself.

        #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #11

        @Em0nM4stodon they told us a long time ago that privacy is an illusion … and then they worked to make it true.

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

          Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

          You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

          The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

          "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

          Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

          The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

          Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

          This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

          Brace yourself.

          #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

          rzetao@kolektiva.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #12

          @Em0nM4stodon

          in the UK we have Palantir spreading throughout the NHS

          sure, they obey privacy and data protection laws, ... sure they do

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          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

            Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

            Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

            You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

            The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

            "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

            Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

            The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

            Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

            This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

            Brace yourself.

            #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

            alex@social.alexschroeder.chA This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #13

            @Em0nM4stodon Today a doctor friend posted the reverse: patients happily recording their conversation or feeding it to some AI app. Most patients are probably not thinking through these privacy issues, either. 🫣

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            • alex@social.alexschroeder.chA alex@social.alexschroeder.ch

              @Em0nM4stodon Today a doctor friend posted the reverse: patients happily recording their conversation or feeding it to some AI app. Most patients are probably not thinking through these privacy issues, either. 🫣

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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #14

              @alex

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                Brace yourself.

                #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                #15

                @Em0nM4stodon
                Similarly, imagine when your physician's smart watch records that you're pregnant and that's used to charge you for abortion. Or you start getting baby item ads and your partner gets angry and there's a domestic dispute because of it. There's so many ways being constantly recorded will not work out in the favor of anyone, but especially women.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                  Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                  You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                  The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                  "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                  Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                  The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                  Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                  This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                  Brace yourself.

                  #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

                  swordgeek@mstdn.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #16

                  @Em0nM4stodon add in the LG TV he's got in his office.

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                  • mellivora@im-in.spaceM mellivora@im-in.space

                    @Em0nM4stodon is this why most doctors don't wear smartwatches?

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                    #17

                    @Mellivora @Em0nM4stodon most doctors are fine using an AI scribe that hallucinates medical conditions, so I don't think this Apple Watch issue is going to gain wide awareness among them unfortunately

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                      Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                      You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                      The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                      "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                      Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                      The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                      Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                      This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                      Brace yourself.

                      #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #18

                      @Em0nM4stodon When do you believe any of this is "stored on their servers”?

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                      • gruber@mastodon.socialG gruber@mastodon.social

                        @Em0nM4stodon When do you believe any of this is "stored on their servers”?

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                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #19

                        @gruber From Apple's documentation:

                        "For Siri Recap, Apple Foundation Models running on Private Cloud Compute (PCC) summarize and format the final output."

                        "Siri Recap summaries and saved Live Rewind text snippets stored in the Siri app are end-to-end encrypted when synced through iCloud"

                        "If you use iCloud with two-factor authentication and have a device passcode, any Siri Recap summary or Live Rewind text snippet you choose to save syncs across your devices end-to-end encrypted in the Siri app."

                        Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/148354

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                          Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                          You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                          The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                          "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                          Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                          The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                          Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                          This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                          Brace yourself.

                          #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                          #20

                          @Em0nM4stodon Hi Em, thank you so much for this. Could I ask for your permission to use this post in data protection training delivered to colleagues (Ireland)?

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                          • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

                            @Em0nM4stodon Hi Em, thank you so much for this. Could I ask for your permission to use this post in data protection training delivered to colleagues (Ireland)?

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                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #21

                            @clickhere Yes, absolutely! And thank you for asking. I'm very happy if this can help others with data protection training 💚

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                            • swordgeek@mstdn.caS swordgeek@mstdn.ca

                              @Em0nM4stodon add in the LG TV he's got in his office.

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                              #22

                              @swordgeek @Em0nM4stodon

                              It's not just LG TVs. Any smart tv with Automatic Content Recognition that has access to any network (wired or wireless) is doing speech-to-text and uploading it whenever they establish a connection on any network.

                              So (1) don't connect them to the internet
                              And (2) don't use any streaming features
                              And (3) regularly look for open internet connections (your neighbours, etc)
                              And (4) do not accept any terms of use. Use it strictly as a dumb monitor.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                                Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                                You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                                The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                                "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                                Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                                The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                                Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                                This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                                Brace yourself.

                                #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                                #23

                                @Em0nM4stodon

                                not to mention what the billionaire fascists in charge will do with that data. make lists of ppl they want dead, which is most of us as we become liabilities in wage costs for example.

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  @clickhere Yes, absolutely! And thank you for asking. I'm very happy if this can help others with data protection training 💚

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                                  #24

                                  @Em0nM4stodon Oh, thank you so much!

                                  (To be fair, it's unlikely that the organisation would consider the use of these devices okay - but you can never fully account for the actions of individuals!)

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                                  • d_rift@beige.partyD d_rift@beige.party

                                    @Em0nM4stodon added: the transcript contains errors.

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                                    barbra@social.vivaldi.net
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                                    #25

                                    @d_rift @Em0nM4stodon

                                    Yep, since it just takes averages of inputs to generate outputs.

                                    For example: if 80% of people with characteristics A, B, and C also are heroin addicts, the LLM will put in your file that you're a heroin addict.

                                    This has already happened.

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                                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                      Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                                      Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                                      You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                                      The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                                      "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                                      Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                                      The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                                      Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                                      This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                                      Brace yourself.

                                      #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #26

                                      @Em0nM4stodon well some around here think these things are fantastic and making ads featuring husband and wives recording each other and being able to correct each other is a sure hit to sell these like hot cakes. Only difference between MAGA and the cult of the rotten fruit is one like Orange, other like Apple.

                                      https://mastodon.social/@agiletortoise/117254408680929301

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        @gruber From Apple's documentation:

                                        "For Siri Recap, Apple Foundation Models running on Private Cloud Compute (PCC) summarize and format the final output."

                                        "Siri Recap summaries and saved Live Rewind text snippets stored in the Siri app are end-to-end encrypted when synced through iCloud"

                                        "If you use iCloud with two-factor authentication and have a device passcode, any Siri Recap summary or Live Rewind text snippet you choose to save syncs across your devices end-to-end encrypted in the Siri app."

                                        Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/148354

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                                        #27

                                        ⬆️ @Em0nM4stodon

                                        You start with #AppleWatch #LiveRewind which you later conflate with #Siri #Recap.

                                        Nothing from AppleWatch goes to Siri Recap unless the user has first saved a LiveRewind text snippet in the Siri app, and even then, it is encrypted. Apple cannot read it on its own.

                                        If you can't trust your doctor to be careful with your sensitive information on her AppleWatch, I think you have bigger problems than what you are describing here 🙂

                                        @gruber

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                                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                          Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                                          Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                                          You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                                          The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                                          "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                                          Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                                          The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                                          Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                                          This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                                          Brace yourself.

                                          #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                                          #28

                                          @Em0nM4stodon @davepolaschek I’d be more worried about the transcription hardware and software many docs/hospitals are now using that aren’t made by companies like Apple that have demonstrable ethics. Or the dumb shit that ends up in your health records that is incorrect and you usually have no ability to audit or correct it.

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