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  • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

    @jonah @gruber @Em0nM4stodon pick your poison. I mean, the company (previously) led by the gay man who grew up in the absolutely vicious, hate-filled american south, kinda got my vote on "who's gonna care most about privacy" issue in the past.

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    #54

    @codinghorror wait... what?! this is such a bizarre take and we have so much evidence against it. look at grindr crashing almost every time there's some republican meetup. almost none of those guys are out of the closet and they certainly don't care about americans' privacy.

    i don't know tim cook's backstory but a lot of us can mask pretty well

    peter thiel is gay and is behind freaking palantir

    we ain't all angels

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    • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

      @codinghorror wait... what?! this is such a bizarre take and we have so much evidence against it. look at grindr crashing almost every time there's some republican meetup. almost none of those guys are out of the closet and they certainly don't care about americans' privacy.

      i don't know tim cook's backstory but a lot of us can mask pretty well

      peter thiel is gay and is behind freaking palantir

      we ain't all angels

      codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #55

      @tmw look into his backstory. everyone's backstory tells you a lot about who they are and what they become

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      • codinghorror@infosec.exchangeC codinghorror@infosec.exchange

        @tmw look into his backstory. everyone's backstory tells you a lot about who they are and what they become

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        #56

        @codinghorror it tells you about who the narrator wants you to believe that the person was in the past. unless you believe that people can't change and that retellings are infallible, it doesn't tell you that much about how they really are

        (that much is, well... private!)

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

          Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

          You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

          The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

          "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

          Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

          The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

          Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

          This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

          Brace yourself.

          #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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          #57

          @Em0nM4stodon Imagine your doctor avoids an "overpriced Apple product" and uses a 2y old Huawei phone/watch that no longer gets updates, with apps and access to work email

          Imagine there is an LG TV in the room. Given the current controversy around LG TVs allegedly listening or collecting data ; what could go wrong?

          Or his laptop still runs Windows 7 because "it works fine", with years of random software installed.

          My point: this isn't an Apple problem

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          • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

            @codinghorror it tells you about who the narrator wants you to believe that the person was in the past. unless you believe that people can't change and that retellings are infallible, it doesn't tell you that much about how they really are

            (that much is, well... private!)

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            #58

            @tmw and if the narrator is the person themselves? This is a massively reductive take.

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            • acdha@code4lib.socialA acdha@code4lib.social

              @Em0nM4stodon @gruber the primary reason why privacy advocates care about data on servers is when that data is accessible to third parties. End to end encrypted data is not.

              The things to be concerned about here are things like transcription errors or defects allowing access by apps.

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              #59

              @acdha @Em0nM4stodon @gruber I liken this to the AirTag issue. Everyone was really shocked at the potential harm with AirTag, but Apple put in some pretty strong protections, such as notifying you when one was following you. The notification freaked people out more.

              Meanwhile, Tag has been sold for years, and provided zero safety features. So imagine it’s not an Apple watch but something offbrand that nobody is thinking of.

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                Brace yourself.

                #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                agreeable_landfall@mastodon.social
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                #60

                @Em0nM4stodon @janeishly Great. Now I have to add "are you wearing an Apple watch?" to my "do not record this session with your AI transcription system."

                It's bad enough that the *doctors* get my history wrong ("No, that's my *family* history of heart disease. I'm fine."), add in software which can't correctly transcribe "fallacious".

                And how does any of that work on patients with difficulty speaking? Sure, the doctor is supposed to review the transcript, but they get it wrong often.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                  Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                  You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                  The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                  "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                  Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                  The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                  Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                  This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                  Brace yourself.

                  #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                  #61

                  @Em0nM4stodon Start every appointment with, "Hey Siri, Alexa, Ok Google, Copilot!"

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    Imagine you're having a remote appointment with your doctor for a very personal health issue.

                    Your doctor is a tech enthusiast, and is proudly wearing the new Apple Watch with all the recording features enabled.

                    You don't see the "Audible and visible signals for Live Rewind", because you don't see your doctor's wrist on videochat or on speakerphone.

                    The "Omitted content" safeguard fails to detect the sensitive conversation, because none of the pre-selected keywords are detected.

                    "What about all the privacy laws protecting me?", you claim in distress.

                    Sadly, your doctor is unaware and thinks "surely Apple respects all the laws by default?"

                    The medical clinic isn't informed about privacy risks related to new technologies, and hasn't implemented any training or policies about it yet.

                    Your sensitive health data is collected by Apple's new features, stored on their servers, blissfully unaware of the infringements to your consent, your privacy, and all the laws supposed to protect you.

                    This is only one scenario of the many surveillance nightmares we might hear about in the coming months and years.

                    Brace yourself.

                    #Privacy #Security #Consent #Apple

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                    madengineering@hachyderm.io
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                    #62

                    @Em0nM4stodon You can violate HIPAA by having your monitor at certain angles. Your doctor is in some serious deep trouble.

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                    • A agreeable_landfall@mastodon.social

                      @Em0nM4stodon @janeishly Great. Now I have to add "are you wearing an Apple watch?" to my "do not record this session with your AI transcription system."

                      It's bad enough that the *doctors* get my history wrong ("No, that's my *family* history of heart disease. I'm fine."), add in software which can't correctly transcribe "fallacious".

                      And how does any of that work on patients with difficulty speaking? Sure, the doctor is supposed to review the transcript, but they get it wrong often.

                      hrifeu@waag.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #63

                      @agreeable_landfall @Em0nM4stodon @janeishly see https://hrifeu.com/blurr-id/ for a mini change and empowerment of individual resistance

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