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  3. Can you imagine Mastodon raising 100 MILLION dollars from a crypto VC fund and failing to disclose it... for a full year?

Can you imagine Mastodon raising 100 MILLION dollars from a crypto VC fund and failing to disclose it... for a full year?

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  • mariusor@metalhead.clubM mariusor@metalhead.club

    @benroyce I wasn't speaking of Mastodon because they barely do any effort into being a spec compliant ActivityPub service...

    @stefan @_elena @mat

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    #54

    @mariusor @stefan @_elena @mat

    not in an effort to start a fight but just divulging my honest views on the topic:

    so fucking what

    just build shit

    the spec can follow behind later

    waiting for perfect spec structuring before doing anything is an exercise in inertia

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      Mike Masnick, who sits on the board of #Bluesky, claims the team was too busy to announce the series B funding (see screenshot).

      But something is fishy.

      Even the VC firm - Bain Capital Crypto - isn't listing Bluesky anywhere on their website: https://baincapitalcrypto.com/portfolio/

      Why the mystery? Was Bluesky afraid of a public backlash & asked to keep the information under wraps?

      Sorry if I keep repeating myself but I will forever be skeptical of Bluesky and think of the tale of the scorpion and the frog.

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      #55

      @_elena oh, Mike. oh, oh, oh, Mike.

      I like the guy and appreciate what he does but just...

      this isn't a thing.

      does he think all the other companies are just sitting around eating bonbons, and this one specific company is busy?

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      • javascript@app.wafrn.netJ javascript@app.wafrn.net

        yeah actually the concept of DID as decentralized identifiers can have its equivalent in the Portable Objects Proposal described here: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ef61/fep-ef61.md

        This is just more complex to do in an ecosystem like the fediverse where implementations are (and have been for a long time) less standarized

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        #56

        @javascript I thought I was pretty clear in my initial statement: if DIDs are used as primary identifiers for objects, the resulting specification is no longer ActivityPub.

        Unless the SocialCG comes up with ActivityPub 2.0 that has DID as identifiers, I wouldn't call the implementations that use that FEP as ActivityPub compliant.

        @_elena @benroyce @stefan @mat

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          @benroyce @mat tangentially related but I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole point of the ATmosphere being open is to find a way to capture billions of data points for profiling / monetization purposes? I know everything is public here too, but the language of their press release gave me the creeps.

          I may start referring to them as Blue$ky and the ATmo$phere.

          I mean what's the draw otherwise for VCs and crypto bros?

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          #57

          @mat @_elena @benroyce B$ky is BullShit.

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          • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

            @mariusor @stefan @_elena @mat

            not in an effort to start a fight but just divulging my honest views on the topic:

            so fucking what

            just build shit

            the spec can follow behind later

            waiting for perfect spec structuring before doing anything is an exercise in inertia

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            #58

            @benroyce maybe you want to look through my post history before giving me advice to build shit. I'm not speaking from a point of ignorance.

            The reason why some of us are trying to stick to the specification is to maximize compatibility between implementations. Each project adding their little flavour of functionality before even bothering to have a solid common foundation is detrimental to the health of the ecosystem as a whole.

            @stefan @_elena @mat

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            • markmetz@sfba.socialM markmetz@sfba.social

              @_elena
              Thanks for highlighting this.
              Bsky smells of narrative capture to me, much like Substack, (who are now teaming up with prediction markets)

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              #59

              @markmetz @_elena what's narrative capture?

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              • mariusor@metalhead.clubM mariusor@metalhead.club

                @benroyce maybe you want to look through my post history before giving me advice to build shit. I'm not speaking from a point of ignorance.

                The reason why some of us are trying to stick to the specification is to maximize compatibility between implementations. Each project adding their little flavour of functionality before even bothering to have a solid common foundation is detrimental to the health of the ecosystem as a whole.

                @stefan @_elena @mat

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                #60

                @mariusor @stefan @_elena @mat

                i don't give a shit about your post history. i have no doubt you're quite knowledgeable and i don't think you're ignorant at all

                but i think "stick to the spec" is purposeful impotence

                just build shit and fuck the spec. the spec can follow along later, and if a feature is useful and popular, other projects can copy it

                nevermind that demanding spec authority in a decentralized system is a fool's errand

                just do whatever the fuck you want, fuck specs

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce @mat tangentially related but I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole point of the ATmosphere being open is to find a way to capture billions of data points for profiling / monetization purposes? I know everything is public here too, but the language of their press release gave me the creeps.

                  I may start referring to them as Blue$ky and the ATmo$phere.

                  I mean what's the draw otherwise for VCs and crypto bros?

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                  #61

                  @_elena @benroyce @mat

                  imo we should think of social media (the social news feed ala bluesky and mastodon etc) as totally public like blogs you can boost. that's different than messaging and groups that need privacy, what I call social networking.

                  I think bluesky's goal is to be the Google/Gmail of all of social media. "it's open so you could use other services but we make it easy and provide a better experience." the way the app view works makes that possible unlike how AP works. enshittify.

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                  • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                    @_elena all the startups I've worked for have blasted out press releases the moment their funding rounds closed. Part of being a startup means constantly vying for attention. This explanation does not hold up.

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                    @tedmielczarek@mastodon.social @_elena@mastodon.social I have had the same experience. I co-founded a startup in 2016 that managed to secure a funding round, and the VCs themselves were giddy about announcing it as widely as possible. I've consulted for startups both before and after that, and as far as I'm aware every one of them that secured funding rapidly announced it. This explanation from Bluesky does not pass a basic smell test.
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                    • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

                      @_elena all the startups I've worked for have blasted out press releases the moment their funding rounds closed. Part of being a startup means constantly vying for attention. This explanation does not hold up.

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                      #63

                      @tedmielczarek @_elena series B is one of the stages that represents a categorical step up in financing and control structures. series G like sure at that point people tend to stop counting but B is still a champagne event

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                        #64

                        @benroyce @_elena Yeah i completely agree

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