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  3. The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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  • janeishly@beige.partyJ janeishly@beige.party

    @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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    #22

    @janeishly @neil What happens when somebody you don’t want to use your computer turns it on though? 🤔

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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      #23

      @neil Yeah. Stupid, dangerous, nefarious.

      Yet it doesn’t limit that. It’s overtlly an impediment for using somebody else’s service, running on somebody else’s computer.

      Autonomy was lost when taking the “cloud” bait and falling into the “cloud” trap. This is just a post-battle mop up.

      The hidden agenda is, of course, totalitarian repression. But still, you get to do whatever you want with your thing, and only your thing, as long as it doesn’t touch others. Fire up that compiler!

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      • janeishly@beige.partyJ janeishly@beige.party

        @neil Every time I login to Windows using a stupid pin code it makes me fume. It's my fucking computer! I just want to switch it on and start work

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        #24

        @janeishly @neil

        theres no option to log in without password on windows these days?

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        • jannem@fosstodon.orgJ jannem@fosstodon.org

          @slothrop @neil
          You know, I'm in my fifties. And over the past 40 years I've gone from a liberal centrist to a socialist radical, without changing my opinions.

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          #25

          @jannem @slothrop @neil can I borrow that? I wear that moniker also!

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

            Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

            * No age or ID verification

            * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

            * No third party accounts

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            #26

            @neil

            Give the world's dangerous slight into extreme right politics, and fascism, using your computer like it's 1999 is seen as radical and anarchist.

            Welcome to being radical and anarchist by being the same socialist you were in 1999 😂

            Edit: If you think Windows is bad, try setting up a Mac without linking your identity to the device.

            Pro Tip: Buy the device with cash and never give the salesperson your email address or mobile number. Good Luck 😁👍

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            • dsc@mastodon.scotD dsc@mastodon.scot

              @jannem @slothrop @neil can I borrow that? I wear that moniker also!

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              #27

              @dsc @slothrop @neil
              It's not mine originally; I believe I've read something similar by others. Feel free to use in other words!

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              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                #28

                @neil it already started with the online and cloud based approach for almost anything

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                  #29

                  @neil @revk I think we should ask what ownership even means today. If I buy a device but can only use it under imposed conditions, like mandatory ID or age checks, do I truly own it? Or is it becoming conditional possession, where key rights no longer lie with the owner? The real issue is whether lawmakers are gradually replacing true ownership with a regulated model of use.

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                  • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                    @neil There is exactly one person who gets to decide what happens in my computer. Me.

                    If you want to run things in my world, you play by my rules and only my rules.

                    Wait Shit. Am I'm turning in to a conservative, I want things to remain how they were twenty years ago... Is this is what they meant about getting more conservative when you get older?

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                    #30

                    @emily_s @neil

                    no, it's called having boundaries and defending self-agency.

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                      Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                      * No age or ID verification

                      * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                      * No third party accounts

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                      #31

                      @neil fwiw this should also apply to phones

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                      • giuseppegv@mastodon.unoG giuseppegv@mastodon.uno

                        @neil it already started with the online and cloud based approach for almost anything

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                        #32

                        @giuseppegv @neil
                        I call it Netflix envy.
                        When Netflix was at its growth height, generating larger and larger monthly revenue streams CEO's in multiple sectors said "how can we do that our business?".
                        The era of outright ownership of anything slowly started coming to an end.

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                        • tak@gush.taks.gardenT tak@gush.taks.garden

                          @neil fwiw this should also apply to phones

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                          #33

                          @Tak Yes, computers.

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                          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                            The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                            #34

                            @neil @lisamelton unless you live on private island of course

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                              #35

                              @neil

                              Can say that again indeed...

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                                Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                                * No age or ID verification

                                * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                                * No third party accounts

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                                #36

                                @neil exactly this, which is what we all did last millennium and even several years into this one. Its shocking how fast that went away.
                                So where would you start, these days?

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                                • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                                  @aadeacon But I do currently control my computer, and I want to retain that control... I do not want someone else to take away the control I already have over my things

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                                  #37

                                  @emily_s @aadeacon

                                  conservatism in my opinion is about “keeping the systems that control others in place”.

                                  This sounds like you wanting to keep control over your systems in place.

                                  Similar sounding, but completely different.

                                  A 2018 comment by one Frank Wilthoit defined conservatism sublimely:

                                  “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

                                  There must be in-groups whom the law protect[s] but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

                                  https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progressives/#comment-729288

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                                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                    The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                    #38

                                    @neil They are willingly sabotaging the future of our kids.
                                    They have absolutely no idea how many people got to 'break' their systems and learn from it.

                                    I think I was 7 when I first got to play with a 'computer', 13 when I broke my first OS.

                                    Is not only about control, stupid people without skills and critical thinking is easier to manipulate.

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                      #39

                                      @neil We should totally go back to gold ways.

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                        #40

                                        @neil Knowing how many parents or grandparents are either share their own devices or use same account on children/gran children devices. That just means only wealthy enough for having you personal computer/personal mobile phone are affected and age restrictions won't affect poor anyway... unless we make pc/mobile only available to the "wealthy enough"...

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                          #41

                                          @neil Apart from anything else, I think this means that it's not one's own computer.

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