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  3. As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.”

As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.”

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  • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

    As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

    If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

    In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

    #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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    #45

    @hoppla People should more often avoid work and go on strike. They make all the profits, but the corporate king takes several million from it, while the employees are still cheated out of their minimum wages.

    So join a union!

    https://jacobin.com/2023/10/uaw-strike-big-three-historic-wins-worker-power-tentative-agreements

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    • essexman@mastodon.socialE essexman@mastodon.social

      @hoppla I’d include workplace bullying as a factor

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      #46

      @essexman @hoppla

      True, unmitigated bullying accounted for a few weeks of sick leave accumulated for me. Before they eventually moved *me* (not him) to another team.

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      • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

        @hoppla

        You probably know this, but I am going to say it anyway:

        "people don't want to work" is not worth struggling over.

        It is an obvious piece of fascist propaganda.

        A far-right myth of an undeserving people "mooching off our poor hard-working job-creators".

        What a joke. It's so clumsy and obvious.

        Throw it down and step on it.

        If peopel are getting sick more: It's covid. It's car exhausts. It's hateful middle-aged men with power. All of that is enough to make a person sick.

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        #47

        @androcat @hoppla People shouldnt want to work, people shouldnt be forced to work. Whats called work today is largely bullshit.

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        • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

          @zash I can't applaud loud enough for this view. In a world shifted by AI we need a radical new understanding about what we want to call work. As far as I comphrend social sciences is working on it for decades already.

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          #48

          @hoppla @zash

          Guess why fascists and radical conservatives want to get rid of social studies and other "soft" sciences.

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          • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

            As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

            If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

            In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

            #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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            #49

            @hoppla Not to mention how happy you will be if everybody who just stayed home for a day when they ate something wrong now comes in to your office for a sick note instead. which of course will be longer than one or two days.

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            • project1enigma@chaos.socialP project1enigma@chaos.social

              @hoppla @feisty_lemming @ABScientist

              LC is very not rare (link I sent, and others sent info too).

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              #50

              @hoppla @project1enigma @ABScientist @feisty_lemming here in Ireland, I’m seeing that people want any diagnosis except Long Covid, there’s a strong stigma attached to it

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              • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                #51

                @hoppla it’s the same in the United States.

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                • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                  As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                  If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                  In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                  #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                  #52

                  @hoppla
                  I stopped working in march because of long COVID. I probably would've stopped earlier but was lucky to have a 9h per week job and needed the money. The difficulty is when quitting work helps you improve, people think you are fine and can work.

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                  • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                    @hoppla

                    You probably know this, but I am going to say it anyway:

                    "people don't want to work" is not worth struggling over.

                    It is an obvious piece of fascist propaganda.

                    A far-right myth of an undeserving people "mooching off our poor hard-working job-creators".

                    What a joke. It's so clumsy and obvious.

                    Throw it down and step on it.

                    If peopel are getting sick more: It's covid. It's car exhausts. It's hateful middle-aged men with power. All of that is enough to make a person sick.

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                    #53

                    @androcat @hoppla if everybody worked ie had a job the economy would be at full capacity and the RBA would be increasing interest rates to slow it down.

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                    • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                      As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                      If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                      In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                      #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                      #54

                      @hoppla
                      https://mastodon.social/@d1ss0nanz/116894049878529029

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                      • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                        As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                        If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                        In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                        #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                        #55

                        @hoppla another thing that Merz and co. don't realise is that if I call my doc from home where I have made myself feel comfortable and the doc asks "shall I write you a note for the rest of the week" I am more likely to say "I'm sure I'll feel fine in a day or so" whereas if I have dragged myself to their office and am feeling really rough I am 100% going to answer "God, please do!" to the same question.

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                        • anke@social.scribblers.clubA anke@social.scribblers.club

                          @hoppla Either the politicians who say these things have no idea what life is like for less privileged people... Or...
                          There's something my history teacher said: "They didn't say these things because they believed they were true, but because they had to be true to justify their plans."

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                          #56

                          @Anke @hoppla I think it's obviously the latter. The Spanish Right started an offensive against "absentism" in perfect sync, without there being any evidence that people miss work for any reason other than being sick.

                          They just want to end sick pay, it's as simple as that.

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                          • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

                            @Anke @hoppla I think it's obviously the latter. The Spanish Right started an offensive against "absentism" in perfect sync, without there being any evidence that people miss work for any reason other than being sick.

                            They just want to end sick pay, it's as simple as that.

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                            #57

                            @ehproque @Anke @hoppla Ditto in the UK with "Why are so many people taking sick leave?"

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                            • holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH holliek72@mastodonapp.uk

                              @ehproque @Anke @hoppla Ditto in the UK with "Why are so many people taking sick leave?"

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                              #58

                              @HollieK72 we're actually taking more sick leave since 2020. Did anything happen in 2020 to make us less healthy? It's a mystery @Anke @hoppla

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                              • ehproque@neopaquita.esE ehproque@neopaquita.es

                                @HollieK72 we're actually taking more sick leave since 2020. Did anything happen in 2020 to make us less healthy? It's a mystery @Anke @hoppla

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                                #59

                                @ehproque @Anke @hoppla 2020? No idea!

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                                • holliek72@mastodonapp.ukH holliek72@mastodonapp.uk

                                  @ehproque @Anke @hoppla 2020? No idea!

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                                  #60

                                  @HollieK72 @Anke @hoppla I for one am older, fatter and balder; I blame Black Lives Matter

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                                  • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                                    As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                                    If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                                    In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                                    #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                                    #61

                                    @hoppla Some aspects of "increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time" are a bit hidden: I remember visiting my mom at her office job. They worked 8 hours, alright.

                                    But it was interspersed with various errands and wait times. Completed writing a letter? Off to the printer, then wait for 20 more seconds because you were faster than the device, go back, … Today: "email sent, next task."

                                    Today's 8 hours are different from 1990's 8 hours for such reasons alone (and while this is a white-collar / office example, other types of work eliminated such "waste" as well.)

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                                    • hoppla@mas.toH hoppla@mas.to

                                      As a GP in Germany, I struggle with the claim that “people don’t want to work.” In daily practice, I see the opposite: many patients push themselves to keep working, even when they should rest. They worry about burdening colleagues, unfinished tasks, or upcoming deadlines.

                                      If we want to understand rising sick leave, we need to look at real factors: increasing workload, constant pressure, lack of recovery time, social isolation, and overall exhaustion. Reducing this to a question of “motivation” ignores both evidence and lived experience.

                                      In my experience, people who genuinely try to avoid work are a tiny minority. Framing the issue this way feels similar to old narratives about unemployment—oversimplified, misleading, and disconnected from reality.

                                      #MedMastodon #GeneralPractice #PrimaryCare #WorkStress #MentalHealth #SickLeave #HealthPolicy #Germany #Arbeitswelt #Burnout #PublicHealth #Reform #AU #Arbeitsunfähigkeit #Gesundheitsreform #gesundheitspolitik #gesundheitssystem

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                                      #62

                                      @hoppla
                                      In the UK, government figures list almost 3 Million unemployed (even when they change the way they count) but less than 500,000 jobs available.

                                      The UK government still believes ‘trickle down economics’ will work, because they are owned by the millionaires who fund them.

                                      Basic maths demonstrates that over 2 Million people have ZERO chance of getting a job, yet the automation and AI policies march forwards, exacerbating the situation.

                                      Who benefits from tax breaks for automation and AI? Why do they have the right to call the unemployed ‘workshy’ when the company owners are causing the problem, and government is aiding in their scheme?

                                      Water companies are telling us they have banned hosepipes. We must not use water. At the same time, our government is approving dozens of AI datacentres that will use millions of gallons of water that should be available for people to drink. Water infrastructure in the UK has not improved in 20 years.

                                      Cui bono?
                                      #uk #ai #water

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                                      • zash@fosstodon.orgZ zash@fosstodon.org

                                        @hoppla Those who don't want to work, what do they want to do?
                                        I doubt anyone wants to sit and feel useless, and there are many ways to contribute to society that we don't think of as "work".

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                                        #63

                                        @zash @hoppla This! I was going to reply saying I don't want to work (and actually am not, for a while). However, I don't sit around doing nothing all day, I just don't get paid for it (but the stress levels are so much better now).

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                                        • anke@social.scribblers.clubA anke@social.scribblers.club

                                          @hoppla Either the politicians who say these things have no idea what life is like for less privileged people... Or...
                                          There's something my history teacher said: "They didn't say these things because they believed they were true, but because they had to be true to justify their plans."

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                                          #64

                                          @Anke @hoppla easy answers to difficult questions are always wrong. Once stated additional wrongness is required to keep up the pretence until black is white and up is down.

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