After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.
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@rysiek @activistchecklist ditching an entire Service Provider because someone of the team does things that don't align with your world views will narrow the scope of things you can use significantly.
@dynom @activistchecklist this is not "someone from the team", this is a co-founder and an owner of 50% of the company. Your attempt at rhetorical minimization is noted though.
This means that some non-trivial amount of money paid to Mullvad ends up in his pocket, and some of that money then goes to support a fascist xenophobic political party.
That's a direct enough link between my wallet and a fascist party's bank account for me to never pay any money to Mullvad.
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@dynom @activistchecklist this is not "someone from the team", this is a co-founder and an owner of 50% of the company. Your attempt at rhetorical minimization is noted though.
This means that some non-trivial amount of money paid to Mullvad ends up in his pocket, and some of that money then goes to support a fascist xenophobic political party.
That's a direct enough link between my wallet and a fascist party's bank account for me to never pay any money to Mullvad.
@rysiek @activistchecklist right, minimalize, so where do you draw the line, 50%? 25%? 5%?
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@samuel @rysiek @activistchecklist
He's not a fascist CEO. That whole thing was WAY overblown by folks. I'm linking a post on Medium that takes a pretty deep dive on that whole thing. Unfortunately people just keep repeating it without explaining or knowing the details.
As for them handing over customer data, again, any company is going to hand over the data required by laws. The question is, what data do they have stored that could be a problem. Activists can use free accounts for Proton services and never provide any payment information which has been the main issue in various cases.
@bss @samuel @rysiek @activistchecklist
Thank you for the article very good one
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@rysiek @activistchecklist right, minimalize, so where do you draw the line, 50%? 25%? 5%?
@dynom @activistchecklist and where do you draw the line? Do you at all? Would you use a 100% fascist-owned communication tool? Would you use Xitter?
I don't have to commit to a specific line in the sand. We're talking about this specific situation, and to me this specific situation is not acceptable. It seems acceptable to you, okay, whatever, that's your choice.
But if there is no line that you would draw, if you'd use any fascist-owned tool, I don't think we have much to talk about.
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@dynom @activistchecklist and where do you draw the line? Do you at all? Would you use a 100% fascist-owned communication tool? Would you use Xitter?
I don't have to commit to a specific line in the sand. We're talking about this specific situation, and to me this specific situation is not acceptable. It seems acceptable to you, okay, whatever, that's your choice.
But if there is no line that you would draw, if you'd use any fascist-owned tool, I don't think we have much to talk about.
@rysiek @activistchecklist you mention that a percentage in a venture is a relevant element, because "just some in the team" is "minimizing". So i ask about the relevance of that element.
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@rysiek @activistchecklist you mention that a percentage in a venture is a relevant element, because "just some in the team" is "minimizing". So i ask about the relevance of that element.
@dynom @activistchecklist it is relevant, because it is not trivial. But I don't have to commit to a *specific* line in the sand, because there are many more factors that come into that sort of decision.
We make these sorts of decisions all the time. How much salt by % mass is too much in your food? You know when it's too much, and you know when it's not, but giving a specific number is not in any way useful.
You are trying to create a rhetorical trap, and I am not interested in that.
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After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.
The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.
Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.
@rysiek @activistchecklist what a honeypot of a website is that? Use Njal.la . It is not even mentioned in their list, which shows to me they are total beginners at what they are doing or are a honeypot.
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@rysiek @activistchecklist what a honeypot of a website is that? Use Njal.la . It is not even mentioned in their list, which shows to me they are total beginners at what they are doing or are a honeypot.
@rafa @rysiek Yeah honestly I forgot Njalla runs a VPN. It would however be in our "yellow" section because it's never received a public security audit. Njalla is great for hosting and domains especially because they accept Monero. But given that there are other alternatives that have been more rigorously audited, it's not going to make the top of our list.
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@rafa @rysiek Yeah honestly I forgot Njalla runs a VPN. It would however be in our "yellow" section because it's never received a public security audit. Njalla is great for hosting and domains especially because they accept Monero. But given that there are other alternatives that have been more rigorously audited, it's not going to make the top of our list.
@activistchecklist @rafa ping @njalla so how about an audit?
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After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.
The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.
Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.
@rysiek@mstdn.social @activistchecklist@kolektiva.social... Riseup ... have a long history of pushing back on government legal requests.
Didn't Riseup disclosed 2 of its mailbox users' data to the FBI previously? -
After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.
The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.
Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.
@rysiek what happened to Mullvad?
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After the #Mullvad scandal a lot of folks had been looking around for a VPN provider they can trust.
The wonderful @activistchecklist got you covered there:
https://activistchecklist.org/vpn/Not only does it list recommended VPNs and reasons for their recommendation (along with those they don't recommend, and why), but also explains what VPNs are good for, what they are not good for, and why giving VPN advice is so hard.
Clearly a lot of research, care, and thoughtful design went into this.
@rysiek @activistchecklist Having an openly transphobic company in the "maybe good" section makes me distrust the entire list
Proton being in the recommended section, while their Trump-loving CEO donates to fascists and complains of people being triggered, isn't a great look either.
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@rysiek@mstdn.social @activistchecklist@kolektiva.social
... Riseup ... have a long history of pushing back on government legal requests.
Didn't Riseup disclosed 2 of its mailbox users' data to the FBI previously?@Orca @activistchecklist "long history of pushing back" is not the same as "has never ever even once had to disclose some data"
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