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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • michelpatrice@jasette.facil.servicesM michelpatrice@jasette.facil.services

    @emilymbender

    I speak english just like the average english speaker and the average english speaker is not a native speaker.

    Le ton condescendant et méprisant de votre réponse est possiblement involontaire, mais je comprends bien que je vous énerve.

    Je continuerai à lire ce que vous publiez, c'est intéressant, mais je laisserai faire pour la discussion.

    Ce n'est pas Twitter ici.

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    #97

    @emilymbender

    Peut-être davantage blessant que méprisant.

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

      ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.orgR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #98
      > artificial intelligence → probabilistic automation
      hybrid intelligence → augmented human intelligence
      image recognition → image labeling
      speech recognition → automatic transcription
      the model shows bias → the model reflects bias
      model mistakes → model errors
      chatbots are good at … → chatbots are good for …
      hallucination → undesirable output

      @emilymbender this is really great, thank you!

      In conversations about AI, I rarely if ever hear people refer to a chatbot as anything other than "it," maybe I keep good company, but the output of these machines is still so unnatural to me I just can't see these things as conscious, or even just cognisant.

      I do, however, frequently take shortcuts in talking about LLMs when saying things like, "trying to get it to understand," or "arguing with it," or "it thinks that..." I know I should say things like "trying to bias the output" instead of "trying to get it to understand," but the linguistic shortcut of using the word "understand" is just so much easier sometimes.
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      • imprinted@mastodon.unoI imprinted@mastodon.uno

        @emilymbender
        I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert.

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        #99

        @Imprinted @emilymbender It's okay to not be an expert, but... Prof. Bender *is*.

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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          #100

          @emilymbender I'm no expert, but how about "baseless output" for "hallucination"?
          Even non-"hallucinated" output can be undesirable for various reasons, but the key point about "hallucinated" output is surely that it is groundless.

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          • dmakarios@theres.lifeD dmakarios@theres.life

            @emilymbender I'm no expert, but how about "baseless output" for "hallucination"?
            Even non-"hallucinated" output can be undesirable for various reasons, but the key point about "hallucinated" output is surely that it is groundless.

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            #101

            @DMakarios the thing is that it is all groundless with LLMs.

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            • J jameswidman@mastodon.social

              @emilymbender also, 100% re misleading metaphors.

              i blame von neumann.

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              @JamesWidman @emilymbender him and his organs.

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                @MichelPatrice Yes, of course, use 'it'. Where do you see me saying not to?

                The piece you are responding to says:

                "avoiding pronouns usually reserved for people (and pets), e.g. he, she, and singular they is a good first step."

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                #103

                @emilymbender
                I guess this sentence is easy to misread as "avoid he/she, use they". It took me two or three attempts to read it the right way. Maybe if the last bit "as a start" was moved to the front of the sentence, it'd be easier to read?

                @MichelPatrice

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                  https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                  #104

                  @emilymbender This is brilliant. Great for sharing to educate people.

                  I don't think 'probabilistic automation' however is a term that is likely to catch on and using the term is likely to make people think you're talking about something else.

                  I think 'intelligence simulator; might be a better term. It is probably not accurate way to describe AI and I would defer to your knowledge on this, but to me it could be a term people would understand as another way of saying AI, yet the 'simulator' part is slightly more of a put down than 'artificial.' Also the emphasis on simulator rather than intelligence.

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                    #105

                    @emilymbender
                    In my (limited) understanding of English I associated "prompt" only with computers, so decided to check the Cambridge dictionary and found this to my surprise.
                    "... that has some of the qualities that a human brain has ..."
                    #LLM #language
                    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/prompt

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                    • J jameswidman@mastodon.social

                      @wordsmith @emilymbender "probability calculator"?

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                      #106

                      @JamesWidman @wordsmith @emilymbender Non-deterministic bilge engine

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