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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • martinvermeer@fediscience.orgM martinvermeer@fediscience.org

    @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

    'Enhanced'

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    #28

    @martinvermeer "Glorified predictive text"?

    @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

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    • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

      @martinvermeer "Glorified predictive text"?

      @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

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      #29

      @clickhere @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

      "Stochastic transmogrifier"

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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        #30

        @emilymbender I often find it easy to replace “AI” with simply “software” or “automation” depending on the context, because it’s a deliberately vague term to start with. As for chatbots, “text generator” can work just fine. Sometimes I jokingly call them “poetry generators”, because the output has to follow a specific form (e.g. code, slide deck, video script etc.) asked by the user.

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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          #31

          @emilymbender
          So you say "AI isn't a thing" but keep talking about LLMs as if it was the whole umbrella of technologies under that term.

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

            https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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            #32

            @emilymbender Don't anthropomorphize LLMs. They don't like it!

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

              https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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              #33

              @emilymbender Maybe instead of using the term "intelligence" a more appropriate word, like "fecal matter" should be used?

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              • martinvermeer@fediscience.orgM martinvermeer@fediscience.org

                @Mimesatwork @Petesmom @emilymbender

                Some ideas. For AI in general, we could use 'corpus-based generation', like language, image, action, speech generation. What is characteristic for current AI is how they are built using these large bodies of (often stolen) 'stuff', typically from the Internet.

                I have a problem with 'undesirable output' for hallucination. Too vague for me. The undesirability is invariably a failure to be factually correct, which is what users expect from AI, an expectation that is both unreasonable and unwise for a language tool - but also real. Let's make that explicit: a 'factuality violation'.

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                #34

                @martinvermeer @Petesmom @emilymbender I don't think 'corpus-based generation' is a feasible alternative. A good alternative is as easily understandable and pronounceable as possible, otherwise it's not going to be adopted into wider use, and most people will associate "corpus" with any biological body, because their only connection with the word is from corpus Christi, as in body of Christ

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                  https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                  #35

                  @emilymbender the topic is interesting, but the choice of words is really complicated. A lot of different things are packed there and it’s way too easy either to oversimplify (vulgarise) or overgeneralise. I will be thinking about this one.

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                  • iamnotu@mastodon.socialI iamnotu@mastodon.social

                    @emilymbender wait til we give human names to robots, like pets

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                    #36

                    @iamnotU @emilymbender People have been doing this since the first welding robot was installed at GM in 1959.

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                      @emilymbender yep!
                      https://mastodon.social/@JamesWidman/116738996992683663

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                      #37

                      @JamesWidman @emilymbender We need to face LLM communication as a new category of high level programming language. We can argue that writing something like: print "$name", is also 'anthropomorphizing language'. We get annoyed. Pioneers that communicated with machines using physical switches and machine code also did, after witness kids using BASIC and keyboards. The best advice to interact with LLM I read: Talk like a caveman😄 : "do this", "add that", etc.. Save tokens, energy and time.

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                      • martyfouts@mastodon.onlineM martyfouts@mastodon.online

                        @iamnotU @emilymbender People have been doing this since the first welding robot was installed at GM in 1959.

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                        #38

                        @MartyFouts @emilymbender Wally Welder

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                          #39

                          @emilymbender

                          I don't usually have to describe the output of LLMs, but when I do, I like to say "it emitted some text which seemed to say".

                          But even "seemed to say" is too anthropomorphizing.

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                          • megamichelle@a2mi.socialM megamichelle@a2mi.social

                            @emilymbender

                            I don't usually have to describe the output of LLMs, but when I do, I like to say "it emitted some text which seemed to say".

                            But even "seemed to say" is too anthropomorphizing.

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                            #40

                            @emilymbender

                            One time, I even tried "it emitted some text which, if it had been written by a human, would say..."

                            But maybe I could go with "it emitted some text which, if it had been written with intention, would say..."

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                              https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                              #41

                              @emilymbender for my own amusement i've for a while now here been calling it "Al". no–one seems to have noticed, but obviously this is not helping matters

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                              • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                                @emilymbender for my own amusement i've for a while now here been calling it "Al". no–one seems to have noticed, but obviously this is not helping matters

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                                #42

                                @fishidwardrobe Believe me, I have noticed.

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                                • alsweigart@mastodon.socialA alsweigart@mastodon.social

                                  @fishidwardrobe Believe me, I have noticed.

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                                  #43

                                  @AlSweigart IoI

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                    #44

                                    @emilymbender Good suggestions, but I think some of those names reveal a bias 😛

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                                      #45

                                      @emilymbender

                                      hallucination → undesirable output

                                      This is the way

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                                      • megamichelle@a2mi.socialM megamichelle@a2mi.social

                                        @emilymbender

                                        One time, I even tried "it emitted some text which, if it had been written by a human, would say..."

                                        But maybe I could go with "it emitted some text which, if it had been written with intention, would say..."

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                                        #46

                                        @MegaMichelle I think the long form is good: It emitted (I use "extruded") some text that the reader was able to interpret as....

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          @MegaMichelle I think the long form is good: It emitted (I use "extruded") some text that the reader was able to interpret as....

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                                          #47

                                          @emilymbender

                                          Oooh, I like the focus on the reader's interpretation. It doesn't imply that the meaning is actually in the text.

                                          For this reason, I might avoid "able to interpret" because that changes it back to implying that the meaning was actually in the text. Maybe "It extruded some text that a reader might interpret as saying..."

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