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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?

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  • bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB bert_hubert@eupolicy.social

    @defuneste @Gina https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/aws-and-microsoft-are-selling-much-more-than-cloud/

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    #16

    @bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.

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    • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

      @Gina @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission

      There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results now…
      https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystems

      PS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing

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      @hpod16 @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission
      True, we were one of many many orgs and people that provided input. It should be mentioned that we're very impressed with how proactive the European Commission has been so far when it comes to their open source strategy. But mobile seems a forgotten area (for us at a national level as well). Big fan of @HennaVirkkunen btw!

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      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

        @bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.

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        #18

        @Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste If that's the strategy, they're awfully quiet about it. The prime minister and/or @stasdigi and/or @staatssecretarisbzk should be announcing the migration strategy. Now is also a great time for them to urge local government to write migration plans into the new municipal coalition plans.

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        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

          It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).

          If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores. 🇪🇺

          @Fairphone
          @LineageOS
          @sailfishosnews
          @ubports
          @GrapheneOS
          @postmarketOS
          @e_mydata
          @fdroidorg
          @IzzyOnDroid

          #opensource #digitalsovereignty #foss

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          #19

          @Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla

          Do I miss @murena ?

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          • codo@fosstodon.orgC codo@fosstodon.org

            @Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste If that's the strategy, they're awfully quiet about it. The prime minister and/or @stasdigi and/or @staatssecretarisbzk should be announcing the migration strategy. Now is also a great time for them to urge local government to write migration plans into the new municipal coalition plans.

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            #20

            @codo @Gina @bert_hubert @stasdigi @staatssecretarisbzk

            I am not smart enough to get the strategy but for an "IT make it works pov", introducing one new stuff at a time is usually a good bet to have some "buy in".

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            • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

              @bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.

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              #21

              @Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.

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              • alloalli@mastodon.nlA alloalli@mastodon.nl

                @Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla

                Do I miss @murena ?

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                #22

                @alloalli @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena Oops, added Murena. Thanks!

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                • benjamingeer@piaille.frB benjamingeer@piaille.fr

                  @Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.

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                  #23

                  @benjamingeer @bert_hubert @defuneste Because we don't have enough internal IT compentence in government. We need to hire more techies.

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                  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                    It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).

                    If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores. 🇪🇺

                    @Fairphone
                    @LineageOS
                    @sailfishosnews
                    @ubports
                    @GrapheneOS
                    @postmarketOS
                    @e_mydata
                    @fdroidorg
                    @IzzyOnDroid

                    #opensource #digitalsovereignty #foss

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                    #24

                    @Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena

                    Perhaps @furilabs, @droidian and @mobian too?

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                    • simonjust@mstdn.dkS simonjust@mstdn.dk

                      @Gina Yes! Still looking forward to the day when I can install a Linux or BSD distro on *any* phone without any hassle

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                      #25

                      @simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.

                      You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.

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                      • dos@social.librem.oneD dos@social.librem.one

                        @simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.

                        You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.

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                        #26

                        @dos @Gina

                        Yes, I've already liberated several phones (OnePlus One w/Ubuntu Touch says "hi!" 😀)

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                        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                          I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?

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                          #27

                          @Gina there is only 1 EU desktop OS and it's on the verse to be selled SUSE.

                          so in desktop we don't have much either.

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                          • hpod16@eupolicy.socialH hpod16@eupolicy.social

                            @Gina @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission

                            There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results now…
                            https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystems

                            PS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing

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                            #28

                            @hpod16 @Gina @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission @HennaVirkkunen any contact for the team that manage high fligh selling ?

                            the only EU based linux system company use is for sale, and if the EU don't intervene it might leave EU without any choice when it come to professional use of sovereign os.

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                            • simonjust@mstdn.dkS simonjust@mstdn.dk

                              @dos @Gina

                              Yes, I've already liberated several phones (OnePlus One w/Ubuntu Touch says "hi!" 😀)

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                              #29

                              @simonjust @Gina Now make it drop the Halium layer and liberation will be complete:)

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                              • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                @alloalli @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena Oops, added Murena. Thanks!

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                                #30

                                @Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena I use that now for almost a year on a FairPhone 5, it's perfect.

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                                • dos@social.librem.oneD dos@social.librem.one

                                  @simonjust @Gina Now make it drop the Halium layer and liberation will be complete:)

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                                  @dos @Gina I thought Halium was part of the solution to the lack of standardisation on the ARM platform?

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                                  • bert_hubert@eupolicy.socialB bert_hubert@eupolicy.social

                                    @Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.

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                                    #32

                                    @bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook

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                                    • hdv@front-end.socialH hdv@front-end.social

                                      @bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook

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                                      #33

                                      @hdv @bert_hubert @Gina en Windows überhaupt!!

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                                      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                        It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).

                                        If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores. 🇪🇺

                                        @Fairphone
                                        @LineageOS
                                        @sailfishosnews
                                        @ubports
                                        @GrapheneOS
                                        @postmarketOS
                                        @e_mydata
                                        @fdroidorg
                                        @IzzyOnDroid

                                        #opensource #digitalsovereignty #foss

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                                        #34

                                        @Gina Sure seems like we managed to reproduce a similar duopoly as we had on the desktop 🍎 🪟 → 🍎 🤖

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                                        • simonjust@mstdn.dkS simonjust@mstdn.dk

                                          @dos @Gina I thought Halium was part of the solution to the lack of standardisation on the ARM platform?

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                                          @simonjust @Gina Not really? It just tucks it under the carpet to be dealt with by Android.

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