Are social networks unhealthy for minors?
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@malte because you said that you're on the Fediverse because social networks are unhealthy for kids and adults. For me, that means either that you don't think the Fediverse is a social network, or that you think it's ok or necessary to do something unhealthy.
@evan What I meant to say is that I think the way social networks work at the moment are overall unhealthy for us. The reason I'm here is that I see this as the most likely place to improve the situation.
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@evan It is not that social networks exist, or that they are social that makes them unhealthy, it's algorithmic manipulation by billionaires.
I have just had the unfortunately experience these past few days of what happens when Facebook randomly decides to put my political posts in front of the eyeballs of angry white men.
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@evan I answered Yes, but. I think rather than social networks in their entirety it is algorithms designed to encourage addiction and amplifying harmful content that are most unhealthy (for everyone not just minors).
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The only reason why I am here typing is because there were people who liked my tweets at Twitter.
If I didn't have SNS, I would have unalived myself at 10. -
The only reason why I am here typing is because there were people who liked my tweets at Twitter.
If I didn't have SNS, I would have unalived myself at 10.@rio thanks for being here.
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@evan I mean, they are unhealthy for everyone.
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@evan No, but the ones from big techs or with addiction-inducing algorithms are
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@evan
Anything indulged in to excess will be unhealthy. Don't quite see why Google and Meta should be to blame in that Los Angeles court case though, no matter how ugly their algorithms are. It's like blaming a tree for a motorist's demise. -
@evan Yes.
Most are already unhealthy for adults, and minors have even fewer psychological tools than adults to protect themselves from the harm they cause.
So, they're even more unhealthy for minors.
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@evan not sure about the networking per se, but clearly some algorithms are
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@evan@cosocial.ca no, and by that i mean i wish i found the good social networks when i was like 11 - then maybe i wouldn’t have been depressed my entire teenage years and would have realized I’m trans like a decade earlier
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@evan@cosocial.ca through high school both my parents worked and i was largely left on my own in the house with my 3 siblings. between the age of 13-17 i was in a lot of public discord servers and met a wide variety of people, who shared my extremely crude and childish sense of humor at that time. it was quite nice having human company, even if it was from all over the world and not down the street.
however i also had one too many experiences of being DM'd "i did it again :333" or "reply or ill really jump" when I was the ripe age of 14 sipping on root beer and eating chips.
and apparently im not alone in that experience of becoming an uncertified discord therapist because i know so many people who experienced a similar deal, or otherwise wound up in petty internet drama with The Most Insufferable People Ever.
The internet is such an unbelievably varied space that its impossible to really quantify in one number or sentence how healthy it is. It'll be a spin at the roulette table on what you find any given day on any given platform, and with every conceivable human concept available with a bash of a keyboard, anyone can access anything.
I believe that knowledge should not be constrained and social networks often are the gateway to the most up to date conversations on current events and evolving knowledge, with an equal part of rot. -
@evan children should be allowed to talk to other children. It's what we did growing up.
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@evan some social networks are sometimes unhealthy for many people, including but not limited to minors ("no, but...")
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@evan do another one but leave out the "for minors" part
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@evan ah. I now see where the support for the privacy invasion legislation is coming from.
the idea that children should sit silent, isolated, and inert, until their 18th birthday whereupon they magically gain all the skills needed to live well is what's unhealthy for children.
just let them live their lives with unconditional agency, love, and support. I guarantee you it is better. sometimes they might go online! you are just going to have to find a way to deal with that, team.
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Conceptually, no. An online social space isnt automatically anything but social
But as created and run currently, by people and corporate entities who design social networks to maximize engagement by outrage and do not design for healthy use?
That's bad for basically everyone, especially kids who are still learning to navigate their physical social spaces.
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children need active and effective supervision and some on social networks have it but some don't. social networks are dangerous for children who don't have that supervision. it's the same with irl social networks.
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@evan do another one but leave out the "for minors" part
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@evan
Twitter and Facebook - Yes, absolutely.
Mastodon and the rest of Fedi... no, but parental discretion is advised!
