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Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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  • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

    Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

    sidereal@kolektiva.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    This was one of those things that seemed totally ridiculous on its face when I was a little kid (like DST). Also like DST, it has never started making more sense

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    • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

      This was one of those things that seemed totally ridiculous on its face when I was a little kid (like DST). Also like DST, it has never started making more sense

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      #3

      @sidereal

      Efficiency fetishism has a lot to answer for.

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      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

        Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

        silvermoon82@wandering.shopS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @sidereal
        A long time ago, my dad built a boat for a far-north RCMP detachment. Their boating season was about 2 weeks of the year, but they had $30k of budget they needed to spend or they'd lose it.

        10 years later, dad bought that boat at auction for a few hundred dollars, with 4 hours on the odometer.

        It's not a good system.

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        • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

          Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

          jonatin@hachyderm.ioJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @sidereal imagine if the system had been “if you don’t use all of your budget then 30% of the savings will be allocated to your group as a bonus.” Think of the incentives to keep old equipment working, only buy items that last, to find creative ways to stretch that budget.

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          • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

            Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

            shansterable@ohai.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @sidereal
            In one of my classes in the MBA evening program, I learned a lesson about the "use it or lose it" budget system.

            A few university employees who enrolled in the program as a free benefit joined in a class group project. Each team's goal was efficient budget allocation.

            All other teams tried to save money and spend less than the budget. The uni team spent their entire budget. As state employees, they were accustomed to using it all or seeing less $ the next year.

            Wow.

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            • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

              Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

              lionelb@expressional.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @sidereal

              Accountants are the dumbest of the dumb.

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              • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

                tiggy@mastodonapp.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @sidereal

                I was do relieved when HMT agreed we should use accruals accounting.
                Before that, if I commisioned work that ended after the last week in March they'd take the money off my budget even though I owed it.
                We'd contact everyone asking them to send their invoices in early.

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                • lionelb@expressional.socialL lionelb@expressional.social

                  @sidereal

                  Accountants are the dumbest of the dumb.

                  sidereal@kolektiva.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @lionelb IDK if accountants are responsible for this one!

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                  • shansterable@ohai.socialS shansterable@ohai.social

                    @sidereal
                    In one of my classes in the MBA evening program, I learned a lesson about the "use it or lose it" budget system.

                    A few university employees who enrolled in the program as a free benefit joined in a class group project. Each team's goal was efficient budget allocation.

                    All other teams tried to save money and spend less than the budget. The uni team spent their entire budget. As state employees, they were accustomed to using it all or seeing less $ the next year.

                    Wow.

                    sidereal@kolektiva.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    @shansterable well, of course one could argue that leaving part of the budget unallocated is the least efficient option of all 🤣

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                    • jonatin@hachyderm.ioJ jonatin@hachyderm.io

                      @sidereal imagine if the system had been “if you don’t use all of your budget then 30% of the savings will be allocated to your group as a bonus.” Think of the incentives to keep old equipment working, only buy items that last, to find creative ways to stretch that budget.

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                      #11

                      @jonatin IDK if the solution here is kickbacks! But maybe I’m wrong

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                      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                        @shansterable well, of course one could argue that leaving part of the budget unallocated is the least efficient option of all 🤣

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                        #12

                        @sidereal @shansterable

                        At a university I once worked at the chemistry department had a store where professors could go buy platinum on the last day of their funding cycle, hold it in their lab, and then return it for a refund into their account at the beginning of their next cycle.

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                        • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                          Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

                          relache@woof.groupR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @sidereal @naga my dad was taught that when he was in the US Army.

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                          • be@zeroes.caB be@zeroes.ca

                            @sidereal @shansterable

                            At a university I once worked at the chemistry department had a store where professors could go buy platinum on the last day of their funding cycle, hold it in their lab, and then return it for a refund into their account at the beginning of their next cycle.

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                            @BE
                            That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. LOL

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                            • relache@woof.groupR relache@woof.group

                              @sidereal @naga my dad was taught that when he was in the US Army.

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                              @relache @sidereal I learned it mostly through federal research grants.

                              That and to always request the maximum funding the program allows, because they will cut what they allot down from what you applied for.

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                              • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                                #16

                                @sidereal I also despise the related “I know you listed this on the budget for spending in October and you don’t have enough team members to do it earlier anyway, but you didn’t spend it by July so we are giving the approved budget money to someone else.”

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                                • shansterable@ohai.socialS shansterable@ohai.social

                                  @BE
                                  That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. LOL

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                                  #17

                                  @shansterable @BE Stupid systematics require clever workarounds.

                                  At my alma mater the argument for having next years budget cut down was that it implied more efficient budgeting among all departments for the upcoming year.

                                  What it really implies is that you get punished for being thrifty.

                                  For governance budgeting it sometimes even gets more stupid as you also have to compensate the potential interests that have been missed on those unspent funds.

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                                  • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                    Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                                    #18

                                    @sidereal So much this.

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                                    • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                      Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                                      #19

                                      @sidereal It makes total sense if you never think about it longer than it took you to read it (the part in quotes, not your post. Your post makes sense).

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                                      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                        Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                                        #20

                                        @sidereal Up there with the maxim that a business (or an economy) that isn't growing isn't a success.

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                                        • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                          Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                                          #21

                                          Invest the surplus and use it 2 years later.

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