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Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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  • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

    @jonatin IDK if the solution here is kickbacks! But maybe I’m wrong

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    #31

    @sidereal yeah, I get that, I’m mostly just imagining what a totally different incentive would have wrought. Less waste, I’d hope, but within consumerism we’d probably just shift the cycle to even more churn through household and personal items.

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    • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

      Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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      #32

      @sidereal In my council money could be carried forward if there was a good reason (typically projects that didn't meet their worst case (budget-wise!) timescales).

      Anyone caught wasting money towards the end of the year just because it was left in their budget would have been dealt with.

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      • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

        @sidereal In my council money could be carried forward if there was a good reason (typically projects that didn't meet their worst case (budget-wise!) timescales).

        Anyone caught wasting money towards the end of the year just because it was left in their budget would have been dealt with.

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        #33

        @sidereal Oh, there was one example though.

        We put in a £250,000 budget line for "planning appeal legal costs" because we suspected a particularly developer was going to play silly buggers over a particular project, and we wanted to indicate that we were ready and willing to fight.

        Having spotted this, the developer chose not to play silly buggers, so this budget line was removed the next year, having not been spent and no longer being needed.

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        • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

          Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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          #34

          @sidereal I have never seen any sense in that

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          • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

            Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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            #35

            @sidereal

            When I joined the uni, I was told that my goal was to slightly overspend the budget, & never, ever, underspend.

            As others have said, responsible budgeting was punished by reducing funding. Irresponsible budgeters received increases. Obviously, they hadn't been given enough...

            Of course, as a former public servant, I was very familiar with the practice.

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            • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

              Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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              #36

              @sidereal My favourite rule was "We're increasing our fees by 3% next year."

              Me: "Why? We have a surplus."

              President: "Because we have to make increases in line with inflation."

              Me: "Even though we don't need them?"

              Pres: "Yes, so that we can go a year without increasing them."

              Me: "We can not increase them this year."

              Pres: "That's not what I'm talking about."

              That was in the mid 2010's.

              Then COVID happened. And they didn't increase fees for almost three years, and it was a relatively minor hit, and they survived the pandemic, as did most of their clients.

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                #37

                @nomdeb congress is the opposite of progress am i right guys

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                • thefathippy@mastodon.worldT thefathippy@mastodon.world

                  @sidereal

                  When I joined the uni, I was told that my goal was to slightly overspend the budget, & never, ever, underspend.

                  As others have said, responsible budgeting was punished by reducing funding. Irresponsible budgeters received increases. Obviously, they hadn't been given enough...

                  Of course, as a former public servant, I was very familiar with the practice.

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                  #38

                  @thefathippy @sidereal

                  This is so true and factual. Took a while as a staff status to be informed between OCO (outgoing capital outlay) and NOCO (non capital outlay) funding accounts and why they matter to spending in departments across the uni.

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                  • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                    @sidereal

                    Efficiency fetishism has a lot to answer for.

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                    #39

                    @johnzajac @sidereal There is such a thing as too much efficiency. There is such a thing as "enough". Endless economic growth is a fiction. Imagine if we all strived for endless personal growth instead.

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                    • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

                      @johnzajac @sidereal There is such a thing as too much efficiency. There is such a thing as "enough". Endless economic growth is a fiction. Imagine if we all strived for endless personal growth instead.

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                      #40

                      @mason @sidereal

                      Efficiency as a result of excellent planning based on deep knowledge and decades of skill is great. Efficiency as a goal is pathological.

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                      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                        Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                        #41

                        @sidereal

                        I once pressed the "return" key on September 30th and thereby spent many millions of dollars.

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                        • justinderrick@mstdn.caJ justinderrick@mstdn.ca

                          @sidereal My favourite rule was "We're increasing our fees by 3% next year."

                          Me: "Why? We have a surplus."

                          President: "Because we have to make increases in line with inflation."

                          Me: "Even though we don't need them?"

                          Pres: "Yes, so that we can go a year without increasing them."

                          Me: "We can not increase them this year."

                          Pres: "That's not what I'm talking about."

                          That was in the mid 2010's.

                          Then COVID happened. And they didn't increase fees for almost three years, and it was a relatively minor hit, and they survived the pandemic, as did most of their clients.

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                          #42

                          @JustinDerrick @sidereal and then they put up their fees by 30% because reasons?

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                          • salty@mastodon.nzS salty@mastodon.nz

                            @JustinDerrick @sidereal and then they put up their fees by 30% because reasons?

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                            #43

                            @Salty @sidereal Not sure, I was only there a short time. But they were accumulating surpluses into a contingency fund, which they drew on during the pandemic.

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