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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Dear Fedi friends,

    Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

    The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

    I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

    My articles on them:

    🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

    Wow. Just wow.

    dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.devD This user is from outside of this forum
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    dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.dev
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    #18

    @_elena @EUCommission Thank you for your amazing work

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      Dear Fedi friends,

      Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

      The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

      I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

      My articles on them:

      🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

      Wow. Just wow.

      bovaz@misskey.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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      bovaz@misskey.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #19
      @_elena@mastodon.social @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I really try to be hopeful, but time and time again they show themselves to be absolute ghouls.
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      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

        @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission I was just about to say, why does it look like the intern just discovered html?

        liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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        #20

        @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

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        • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

          @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #21

          @liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!

          @Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
            - I was given some information on background, confidentially
            - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

            Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

            Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

            patpro@social.patpro.netP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #22

            @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

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            • patpro@social.patpro.netP patpro@social.patpro.net

              @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #23

              @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

              But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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                ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu
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                #24

                @_elena @patpro God that's bad, what's next? "Europa macht Frei"? Let's not use cutesy varieties of fascist slogans.

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                  But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #25

                  @_elena LOL :’D

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                    - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                    - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                    Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                    Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                    ivan@masto.brucknerite.netI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    ivan@masto.brucknerite.net
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                    #26

                    @_elena By all means! Thank you for your work.

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                      - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                      - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                      Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                      Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                      nelepoldvere@fediscience.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      nelepoldvere@fediscience.org
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                      #27

                      @_elena Yes, please! I'm intrigued 🤭

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        @liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!

                        @Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission

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                        #28

                        @_elena @liaizon @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission oh lol sorry about that 😂

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                        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                          @_elena @liaizon @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission oh lol sorry about that 😂

                          _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          _elena@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #29

                          @Gina @liaizon @hbons @shemjm no need to apologize Gina!

                          This makes me think that I use Clearsky all the time for research and maybe I should donate to them 😅

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                          • fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.luF fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                            @_elena @EUCommission Unfortunately, no wonder at all.
                            🤦‍♂️

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                            proscience@toot.community
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                            #30

                            @fabiux @_elena @EUCommission

                            🎯

                            It's a feature, not a bug.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @passenger indeed! I've seen dozens of presentations they've given and they want to build a European Everything App, WeChat style. Microblogging, identity, payments... with no previous background in this space, just a desire to build alternatives, hosted in Europe, of INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC and toxic Big Tech apps. Digital sovereignty goes beyond having servers hosted in Europe.

                              @EUCommission

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                              passenger@kolektiva.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #31

                              @_elena

                              My suspicion, and I cannot prove this because I was not in the room at the time, is that this is also what the closed-door investor pitches for other social media apps were like. The difference here is that they aren't bothering with also having a pitch to the end users. I'm going to guess that this approach probably will not help with widespread adoption, given that attention is so sought-after nowadays.

                              On the one hand, we could read this as a parable about the Commission as a whole: so accustomed to the top-down insider-first approach that they never considered even the appearance of asking users what they wanted and then building that.

                              On the other hand, this may simply be where we are in the common era year twenty twenty six: wannabe oligarchs talking to governments about what sort of tech the peasants will be herded into.

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                              • hazz223@mstdn.socialH hazz223@mstdn.social

                                @_elena @EUCommission I think your line "platform soft-launched at Davos" rather sums up how this happened 😢.

                                naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                naturemc@mastodon.online
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                                #32

                                @hazz223 🎯 @_elena @EUCommission

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                                • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

                                  @_elena

                                  My suspicion, and I cannot prove this because I was not in the room at the time, is that this is also what the closed-door investor pitches for other social media apps were like. The difference here is that they aren't bothering with also having a pitch to the end users. I'm going to guess that this approach probably will not help with widespread adoption, given that attention is so sought-after nowadays.

                                  On the one hand, we could read this as a parable about the Commission as a whole: so accustomed to the top-down insider-first approach that they never considered even the appearance of asking users what they wanted and then building that.

                                  On the other hand, this may simply be where we are in the common era year twenty twenty six: wannabe oligarchs talking to governments about what sort of tech the peasants will be herded into.

                                  _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  _elena@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #33

                                  @passenger 🎯 🎯 🎯 🎯 perfectly said!

                                  And I find it ironic that the whole purpose of W is to "replace X" and yet I am getting so many "Muskian" vibes from them. They're even copying the idea of the Everything App and payment system

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    Dear Fedi friends,

                                    Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                                    The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                                    I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                                    My articles on them:

                                    🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                                    Wow. Just wow.

                                    naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    naturemc@mastodon.online
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #34

                                    @_elena Thanks for the work! Davos, follow the money, the whole launching of that platform smells like investor's interests and hard lobbyism. When journalists sound like press releases: a sign that they don't have time for more or ... lobbyism. And we all know that lobbyism is one of the biggest problems inside EU structures.
                                    Hope they will not burn too much public money.

                                    For the new accounts, we had a saying in the 1968s: "imagine, they make (war), and nobody joins in." Will
                                    @EUCommission

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                                    • bovaz@misskey.socialB bovaz@misskey.social
                                      @_elena@mastodon.social @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I really try to be hopeful, but time and time again they show themselves to be absolute ghouls.
                                      leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.seL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      leanderlindahl@social.folkdata.se
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                                      #35

                                      @bovaz @_elena @EUCommission 💯 yes, I'm speechless...

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                                      • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                                        @_elena Thanks for the work! Davos, follow the money, the whole launching of that platform smells like investor's interests and hard lobbyism. When journalists sound like press releases: a sign that they don't have time for more or ... lobbyism. And we all know that lobbyism is one of the biggest problems inside EU structures.
                                        Hope they will not burn too much public money.

                                        For the new accounts, we had a saying in the 1968s: "imagine, they make (war), and nobody joins in." Will
                                        @EUCommission

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                                        #36

                                        @_elena normal non-tech people want to join that ID-🤢 ? Would they use it because of Mrs von der Leyen?

                                        The EU should give more help to the Fediverse. But somehow I'm glad that the Mastodon crew concentrates on sustainable, not forced growth.

                                        @EUCommission

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          Dear Fedi friends,

                                          Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                                          The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                                          I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                                          My articles on them:

                                          🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                                          Wow. Just wow.

                                          dzwiedziu@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #37

                                          @_elena
                                          “Make Europe Great Again” hat.

                                          As the Polish meme goes “I know from whom you are”¹

                                          This movement was kickstarted by Steve Bannon trying to transplant MAGA onto the EU. He found a lot of eager Polish supporters, including MPs and MEPs.

                                          And with those come ties to Russia, as the main adversary of the EU.

                                          1. “A ja wiem od kogo wy są”

                                          @EUCommission

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