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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    @Razemix well, ATproto is not like the Fediverse, to be truly independent and sovereign you need to host your own PDS, relay, firehose and moderation (amongst other things). It takes money, resources and expertise. I'm surprised they didn't move to Eurosky TBH

    razemix@mamutovo.czR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #12

    @_elena Yeah, I know, creating a whole separate stack would be an overkill. They could definitely leverage Eurosky in this regard. What I'm saying is that at least having their own PDS (to have control over their data) should be an absolute no-brainer.

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    • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

      @_elena Yeah, I know, creating a whole separate stack would be an overkill. They could definitely leverage Eurosky in this regard. What I'm saying is that at least having their own PDS (to have control over their data) should be an absolute no-brainer.

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      #13

      @Razemix oh I absolutely agree with you. My jaw is still on the floor...

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        Dear Fedi friends,

        Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

        The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

        I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

        My articles on them:

        🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

        Wow. Just wow.

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        bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #14

        @_elena @EUCommission On the ATmosphere, I have a Eurosky account. It may be better, but they just launched a new ATproto Web interface which requires age declaration...

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          Dear Fedi friends,

          Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

          The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

          I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

          My articles on them:

          🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

          Wow. Just wow.

          bbbhltz@framapiaf.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #15

          @_elena don't apologize
          @EUCommission should explain their choice

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            @Razemix well, ATproto is not like the Fediverse, to be truly independent and sovereign you need to host your own PDS, relay, firehose and moderation (amongst other things). It takes money, resources and expertise. I'm surprised they didn't move to Eurosky TBH

            liaizon@social.wake.stL This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #16

            @_elena @Razemix but W is just a PDS rn, which is very simple to set up I'm following many kids who are running their own.

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              Dear Fedi friends,

              Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

              The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

              I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

              My articles on them:

              🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

              Wow. Just wow.

              _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #17

              For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
              - I was given some information on background, confidentially
              - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

              Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

              Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

              patpro@social.patpro.netP ivan@masto.brucknerite.netI nelepoldvere@fediscience.orgN michelin@hachyderm.ioM jsalvador@mastodon.socialJ 11 Replies Last reply
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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                Dear Fedi friends,

                Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                My articles on them:

                🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                Wow. Just wow.

                dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.devD This user is from outside of this forum
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                dunklecat@mastodon.dunklecat.dev
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #18

                @_elena @EUCommission Thank you for your amazing work

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  Dear Fedi friends,

                  Apologies for another toot about #WSocial but I am genuinely shaking right now.

                  The @EUCommission and its president Ursula von der Leyen have recently migrated their ATproto (Bluesky) accounts to W Social.

                  I cannot fathom why they would pick a private enterprise whose leaders didn't even have ATproto accounts 3 months ago... and who are so open to having their users' data mined to train European AI models.

                  My articles on them:

                  🔗 : https://blog.elenarossini.com/tag/w-social/

                  Wow. Just wow.

                  bovaz@misskey.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  bovaz@misskey.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #19
                  @_elena@mastodon.social @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu I really try to be hopeful, but time and time again they show themselves to be absolute ghouls.
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                  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                    @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission I was just about to say, why does it look like the intern just discovered html?

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                    #20

                    @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

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                    • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                      @Gina @hbons @shemjm @_elena @EUCommission that's clearsky.app which is just a random tool someone made early on that can show some info about peoples Bluesky accounts

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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #21

                      @liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!

                      @Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                        - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                        - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                        Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                        Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                        patpro@social.patpro.netP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #22

                        @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

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                        • patpro@social.patpro.netP patpro@social.patpro.net

                          @_elena «MEGA hats» or «MAGA hats»?

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                          #23

                          @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                          But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                            But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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                            #24

                            @_elena @patpro God that's bad, what's next? "Europa macht Frei"? Let's not use cutesy varieties of fascist slogans.

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              @patpro Make Europe Great Again = MEGA

                              But they also have ironic red MAGA hats that say "Make science great again)

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                              #25

                              @_elena LOL :’D

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                                - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                                - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                                Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                                Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                                ivan@masto.brucknerite.netI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #26

                                @_elena By all means! Thank you for your work.

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  For context, my two articles on #WSocial didn't include some explosive things I found out in my research because:
                                  - I was given some information on background, confidentially
                                  - I found a particular thread to be a bit distracting (aka the MEGA hats sold on a website with far right paraphernalia)

                                  Plus there are so many white lies... a pattern of misrepresentation that makes it really hard for me to trust them.

                                  Do I have to write a THIRD article about W now? 🫠

                                  nelepoldvere@fediscience.orgN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #27

                                  @_elena Yes, please! I'm intrigued 🤭

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    @liaizon yes, Clearsky may not be the best designed website, but it's SO USEFUL!

                                    @Gina @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission

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                                    #28

                                    @_elena @liaizon @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission oh lol sorry about that 😂

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                                    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                      @_elena @liaizon @hbons @shemjm @EUCommission oh lol sorry about that 😂

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                                      #29

                                      @Gina @liaizon @hbons @shemjm no need to apologize Gina!

                                      This makes me think that I use Clearsky all the time for research and maybe I should donate to them 😅

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                                      • fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.luF fabiux@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                                        @_elena @EUCommission Unfortunately, no wonder at all.
                                        🤦‍♂️

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                                        #30

                                        @fabiux @_elena @EUCommission

                                        🎯

                                        It's a feature, not a bug.

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          @passenger indeed! I've seen dozens of presentations they've given and they want to build a European Everything App, WeChat style. Microblogging, identity, payments... with no previous background in this space, just a desire to build alternatives, hosted in Europe, of INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC and toxic Big Tech apps. Digital sovereignty goes beyond having servers hosted in Europe.

                                          @EUCommission

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                                          #31

                                          @_elena

                                          My suspicion, and I cannot prove this because I was not in the room at the time, is that this is also what the closed-door investor pitches for other social media apps were like. The difference here is that they aren't bothering with also having a pitch to the end users. I'm going to guess that this approach probably will not help with widespread adoption, given that attention is so sought-after nowadays.

                                          On the one hand, we could read this as a parable about the Commission as a whole: so accustomed to the top-down insider-first approach that they never considered even the appearance of asking users what they wanted and then building that.

                                          On the other hand, this may simply be where we are in the common era year twenty twenty six: wannabe oligarchs talking to governments about what sort of tech the peasants will be herded into.

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