There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now:
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@eschaton I’m curious if you think its all plagiarism or if some uses of LLMs are not? I asked it today to go look through some classes and add a define everywhere I was hardcoding a specific constant. I find it hard to accept that as plagiarism for any kind of definition of it that makes sense to me. Where doing “write a web browser" I'd imagine is going to just spew out a ton of other people's code.
@paul @eschaton I like to imagine that instead of the LLM behind the prompt, there’s a person. Instead of paying Anthropic/whoever, I’m paying a human. All the generated code is written by the hidden person. All those constant values replaced by defines were written by the person behind the interface.
Now, do I consider the result to be 100% my own work? I find that I cannot.
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As an example, see the incredible escalation in response to me saying that the output of an LLM does not represent a developer’s own work: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47344155
The slopmonger refuses to accept that what they’re doing meets the academic definition of plagiarism. Instead they insist that I must not understand LLMs and that I need to get out of the way and out of the industry because what they’re doing is the way of the future.
@eschaton “you’re a stupid poo-poo head…Poo-poo Head
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@paul @eschaton I like to imagine that instead of the LLM behind the prompt, there’s a person. Instead of paying Anthropic/whoever, I’m paying a human. All the generated code is written by the hidden person. All those constant values replaced by defines were written by the person behind the interface.
Now, do I consider the result to be 100% my own work? I find that I cannot.
@__d @paul @eschaton I also often use this "LLM as a person" way of looking at it, especially in academic settings when I try to explain plagiarism. As long as it is only used as one tool for explanation, and not the only one, I find that it works quite well.
Some people don't even seem to understand that having someone else write it for you is plagiarism, though.
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@michaelgemar It absolutely includes CEOs, CTOs, pundits, and the like. However it also includes the people who get extremely angry when an Open Source project says “no, we will not take your contribution to our project if you used an LLM to create it, because it’s not your work.” They can go to Dennis Reynolds levels of unbound rage almost instantly and it’s really something to see.
@eschaton@mastodon.social @michaelgemar@mstdn.ca I think the anger response is at least partly explainable by this: https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1773412163.748396
The CEO response may be totally explained by that...
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@eschaton Does #2 include CEOs, or is firing huge swathes of your staff and replacing them with AI a different type of psychosis?
@michaelgemar@mstdn.ca For what it's worth, the majority of layoffs have been done for conventional economic reasons, or because companies (esp. tech companies) overhired near the beginning of the COVID pandemic. They are using AI as an excuse, hoping AI psychosis will distract from the otherwise-obvious conclusion that they made poor management decisions. @eschaton@mastodon.social
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@michaelgemar It absolutely includes CEOs, CTOs, pundits, and the like. However it also includes the people who get extremely angry when an Open Source project says “no, we will not take your contribution to our project if you used an LLM to create it, because it’s not your work.” They can go to Dennis Reynolds levels of unbound rage almost instantly and it’s really something to see.
Suddenly, I think of Lindsey Graham raging during the US Senate hearing for the drunk rapist Supreme Court nominee, Kavanaugh!
Performative rage. Performative outrage.
Seems like a generalized tell, for detecting narrative warfare actors. Always dialling it to 11...
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There seem to be two distinct kinds of “chatbot psychosis” happening right now:
1. Becoming delusional about themselves and the world as a result of being glazed nonstop by the friend in their computer, thinking they’re inventing new physics, discovering mystical secrets, etc. and becoming manic.
2. Becoming delusional about what LLMs are capable of and how effective they are, as a result of developing a reliance upon them, and becoming fanatical in their promotion and defense.
@eschaton Yeah—but I don't really think the analogy of "psychosis" works for the latter term. Delusion, sure.
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