A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear One problem with this analogy is that the people talking about the arson ring often suggest banning fire rather than stopping arsonists from misusing it and the only way to get them to focus on the arsonists starts with reminding them that fire can be useful.
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@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear You probably use an ML system every time you spend money - every transaction is fraud scored at some point, some multiple times.
@TimWardCam
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
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@thirstybear I think they mean machine learning, not llms
@yugthebug @thirstybear No. There are no commercial services that use anything except LLMs. The techbros really belive it's a universal solution.
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@TimWardCam
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear That not all "AI" is LLM and not all non-LLM "AI" is evil. Many people here get that, but there are plenty who don't.
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@TimWardCam
*Someone* (bank or payment processor) uses ML (edit: which are not LLMs) to check my transactions, not me and not (usually) the party I'm actively engaging with. What was your point?
@resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear If you use the term AI in modern language, you're talking about LLMs. Part of the scam is to pretend that they are synonyms, and they've won that fight.
You're helping with the con by continuing to refer to actual useful technologies as "AI".
Scalzi meant AI in the colloquial sense of LLMs. Stop playing "well actually" games that only benefit con artists.
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@dneary
Redshirts, The Kaiju Preservation Society
@thirstybear@DelilahTech @dneary Another vote for Kaiju Preservation Society here. I’m new to the author so playing catchup, but everyone mentions the Old Man’s War series.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
I think, when pressed, those folks will describe their expectations and hopes instead of the violent, deadly, abusive, perverted, racist human-culling device that its depraved creators call 'intelligence' to put detractors on their back foot to begin with.
They began from the premise it was god and then built it.
Fucking lunatics.
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@ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear If you use the term AI in modern language, you're talking about LLMs. Part of the scam is to pretend that they are synonyms, and they've won that fight.
You're helping with the con by continuing to refer to actual useful technologies as "AI".
Scalzi meant AI in the colloquial sense of LLMs. Stop playing "well actually" games that only benefit con artists.
@jmax
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
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@jmax
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @jmax @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear The one that pisses me off is "organic", but I accept that that one's lost.
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@jmax
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Don't refer to any of them as AI, just because they're lying doesn't mean you have to lie too.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear I kind of get the analogy, but it breaks down in a few of places.
First off, a lot of professional communicators, who really care about the arson ring, keep calling it fire. The least we can do is stop calling it fire and start calling it an arson ring. We're not going to get a public backlash against fire, but we can get one against the arson ring.
Secondly, this isn't as clear-cut as an arson ring, and I'm honestly not sure what harm mitigation we are supposed to put in place today.
Facebook pirated a bunch of books to train their model. That was wrong, I agree. The American court system agreed. I don't believe that AI generated material qualifies for copyright. The American court system agrees. Screen Actors Guild negotiated all kinds of anti-ai measures.
I would like to help stop the arson and mitigate the harms. But I'm honestly not sure what's next?
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@ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear That not all "AI" is LLM and not all non-LLM "AI" is evil. Many people here get that, but there are plenty who don't.
@TimWardCam @ScriptFanix @resuna @yugthebug @jmax @thirstybear
Oh come on, when people shit on AI they are not coming for camera autofocus.
This is a moral issue, directly linked to active genocide, and most AI true believers publicly hope for human extinction.
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@jmax
They (LLM pushers) successfully took over the meaning of "AI". Let us all accept that and use more specific terms when we mean something else. AI has never been a well defined term anyway and can be used to describe about anything
@TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear Call wasting critical resources anything you want, as long as you hold the worst offenders accountable.
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear AI is a meaningless term. For a start, nobody really believes that machines, algorithms or tools are really sentient beings (as far as I can see, the only ones who claim that are the notorious liars who actually make the tools and a few people who are of sub-par intelligence who have been duped by their marketing), or in any meaningful sense, 'intelligent'. So, we shouldn't use the term at all. Call them slopbots, slop distributors.
@UkeleleEric @ScriptFanix @TimWardCam @resuna @yugthebug @thirstybear It used to be useful as a catch-all term for a loose collection of academic research on "things it's hard to program a computer to do". No more.
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A note from one of my favourite authors at the moment.
@thirstybear hey you know John is on Mastodon, scalzi at Mastodon.Social
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@thirstybear hey you know John is on Mastodon, scalzi at Mastodon.Social
@julianlawson I didn’t! Thanks.
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@DelilahTech @dneary Another vote for Kaiju Preservation Society here. I’m new to the author so playing catchup, but everyone mentions the Old Man’s War series.
@thirstybear
It's a good series, I just find his standalones more entertaining
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@ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Don't refer to any of them as AI, just because they're lying doesn't mean you have to lie too.
@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
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@resuna @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
Plausible Whatever Generators@LeBonk @ScriptFanix @jmax @TimWardCam @yugthebug @thirstybear
I just call them LLMs. AI is a field of research. LLMs are a spin-off, but they're not AI in the science fiction sense anymore than a Fisher Space Pen is a rocket just because it's a spin-off of the space industry.
