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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

    In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

    TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

    If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

    #FediTips

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    #12

    @FediTips

    Thank you for raising awareness!

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    • effariwhy@mastodon.socialE effariwhy@mastodon.social

      @FediTips I really appreciate your tips! I picked mastodon.social because it was the largest but now I'm thinking I should find a happy medium between #TooBigToFail and #TooSmallToSucceed

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      #13

      @effariwhy

      Short answer: I wouldn't worry about size on here 🙂

      Longer answer:

      I know most online things are run by corporations, but things are different on here as most servers are run by volunteers and supported by members' donations.

      Being a big server can make life more difficult for the person running it because their costs go up. There are plenty of servers that have been going since the beginning of Mastodon which are still small, and the people running them like it that way.

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      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

        @rhizomancer @LappenjammerDieZweite

        I've tried to make it easier for people to choose a server at https://fedi.garden

        rhizomancer@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        #14

        @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite will check, thank you

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        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

          @rhizomancer @LappenjammerDieZweite

          I've tried to make it easier for people to choose a server at https://fedi.garden

          lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #15

          @FediTips I chose my instance using your tips. Maybe I am overlooking your thoughts on checking how instances are hosting.

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            @effariwhy

            Short answer: I wouldn't worry about size on here 🙂

            Longer answer:

            I know most online things are run by corporations, but things are different on here as most servers are run by volunteers and supported by members' donations.

            Being a big server can make life more difficult for the person running it because their costs go up. There are plenty of servers that have been going since the beginning of Mastodon which are still small, and the people running them like it that way.

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            #16

            @FediTips Last year, I also created accounts on mastodon.world and hachyderm.io and left them empty. It would be a good exercise to try the import/export functions and move to one of those. I've been curious to see how the move process works.

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            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

              @LappenjammerDieZweite

              OpenBiblio.social seems to be working here when I tried it just now, is it still not working at your end?

              About choosing a server, I've got a site for non-technical people at http://fedi.garden where all the servers have promised to be compatible with the points at https://fedi.garden/about-this-site

              For more technical people who want a longer non-curated list, try https://fedidb.com/servers (but there are no promises made on that site).

              lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #17

              @FediTips Thank you. I just checked, they have been back within the past hour but could only bring back content up to 19 November. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes despair with all technical infrastructure big and small 😭

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              • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                @FediTips Thank you. I just checked, they have been back within the past hour but could only bring back content up to 19 November. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes despair with all technical infrastructure big and small 😭

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                #18

                @LappenjammerDieZweite

                Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞 (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )

                What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.

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                • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                  @FediTips Thank you. I just checked, they have been back within the past hour but could only bring back content up to 19 November. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes despair with all technical infrastructure big and small 😭

                  lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #19

                  @FediTips Now I feel like a soap opera heroine who suffered from amnesia at christmas, build a new life with what menories cae back and will have to live with five weeks thst will never come back.

                  Metaphorically speaking of course, but the fediverse / mastodin community is vital for my well being.

                  Thank you for being a helpful part in it ❤️

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    @LappenjammerDieZweite

                    Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞 (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )

                    What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.

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                    #20

                    @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
                    Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

                    I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

                    lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF 2 Replies Last reply
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                    • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                      @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
                      Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

                      I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

                      lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #21

                      @FediTips I can't remember how I came across openbiblio in 2022.

                      Social.Vivaldi.Net was a recommendation from either you another source here and I was looking mainly for a temporary workaround based in Europe with a reliable infrastructure.

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                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                        Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                        In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                        TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                        If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                        #FediTips

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                        #22

                        @FediTips@social.growyourown.services bonus on joining smaller servers: You can choose one with a theme and immediately get a general timeline more in line with your interests! ​​

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                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                          Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                          In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                          TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                          If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                          #FediTips

                          raymierussell@mastodon.scotR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #23

                          @FediTips
                          I think there is definitely something to be said about joining a geographical instance

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                          • rhizomancer@mastodon.socialR rhizomancer@mastodon.social

                            @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite will check, thank you

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                            #24

                            @rhizomancer Also you can also migrate later. I haven't done that yet but @FediTips does offer a guide on how to do it too.

                            I'd recommend getting used to the Fediverse in your own time. I got used to it own special way fairly soon and up until now the instance I chose did not influence my experience as much as finding nice people to follow and interact with 🙂

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                            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                              p.s. Posting this because new people on other servers were asking if they needed to open an account on mastodon.social or move to mastodon.social. Answer to both is no 🙂

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                              #25

                              @FediTips I think that's the only whole server that I have chosen to block. Bots, advertisements, I think I even saw a phishing scam. noooo thanks.

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                              • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                                @rhizomancer Also you can also migrate later. I haven't done that yet but @FediTips does offer a guide on how to do it too.

                                I'd recommend getting used to the Fediverse in your own time. I got used to it own special way fairly soon and up until now the instance I chose did not influence my experience as much as finding nice people to follow and interact with 🙂

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                                #26

                                @LappenjammerDieZweite @FediTips Thank you! I am quite enthusiastic about Mastodon and the Fediverse concept and reading this post has made me rethink the need of choosing an instance, which is something I've been postponing due to uncertainty and whatnot. I will have a look and keep your words in mind

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                                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                  Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                  In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                  TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                  If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                  #FediTips

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                                  #27

                                  @FediTips Always Reblog!

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                                  • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @FediTips First I love libraries a lot and implicity trust them, and different from other organisations I know them and how they are governed.
                                    Secondly I always thought they would self host. Never checked this assumpion until now. Feel a bit stupid now as I could k ow better about German IT infrastructure.

                                    I want to stay as far away from big tech and US tech aus humanly possible. So even some European servers are not exactly desirable.

                                    feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #28

                                    @LappenjammerDieZweite

                                    Damn... that's awful, I can totally understand why you chose them, I would have done the same.

                                    It's very odd they didn't have backups, are they definitely not going to have anything restored after November? 😞

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                                    • effariwhy@mastodon.socialE effariwhy@mastodon.social

                                      @FediTips Last year, I also created accounts on mastodon.world and hachyderm.io and left them empty. It would be a good exercise to try the import/export functions and move to one of those. I've been curious to see how the move process works.

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                                      #29

                                      @effariwhy

                                      Sounds good 🙂

                                      You can move back and forth as often as you want, so if you change your mind you can always transfer stuff back.

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                                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                        @LappenjammerDieZweite

                                        Damn... that's awful, I can totally understand why you chose them, I would have done the same.

                                        It's very odd they didn't have backups, are they definitely not going to have anything restored after November? 😞

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                                        #30

                                        @FediTips Thank you 🥹

                                        They have written that all data after that is irretrievable

                                        (https://bibcourse.eu/t/https-openbiblio-social-down/284/51)

                                        Being a massive believer in tech redundancy and secure storage of data and documentation this does rock my trust (as a non-tech person myself I rely on experts). I mean, if *libraries* lose data, what is safe in this world?

                                        Of course in my case it is "only" social Media banter. Just after losing 90% of my Twitter mutuals that either stayed or chose Jack's Next Promise I feel strangely vulnarable for losing a community in a time of need. Again.

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                                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                          @LappenjammerDieZweite

                                          OpenBiblio.social seems to be working here when I tried it just now, is it still not working at your end?

                                          About choosing a server, I've got a site for non-technical people at http://fedi.garden where all the servers have promised to be compatible with the points at https://fedi.garden/about-this-site

                                          For more technical people who want a longer non-curated list, try https://fedidb.com/servers (but there are no promises made on that site).

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                                          #31

                                          @FediTips

                                          Is there a reason why moderation against for example antisemitism or ableism isn't on the list of requirements?

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