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  • magicmutti@muenchen.socialM magicmutti@muenchen.social

    @FediTips
    Thanks for the information! I just moved from mastodon.social to muenchen.social.

    Thanks to your helpful instructions everything went well 😄

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    #63

    @MagicMutti

    Brilliant to hear it went well! 🙂 Hope you have fun on the new server.

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    • imbrium_photography@mastodon.socialI imbrium_photography@mastodon.social

      @FediTips Though you can't easily move to another instance if that instance has 'suspend' on mastodon.social ... and not all instances seem to publish their suspend/silence lists ...

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      #64

      @imbrium_photography

      Most instances don't suspend mastodon.social, but if they do the workaround is to move to a third server that federates with both, then from the third server to the one you want.

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      • kye@tech.lgbtK kye@tech.lgbt

        @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite It's possible to avoid it on ATproto, but it takes some extra steps. Mainly adding a rotation key for adversarial migration. Non-Bluesky platforms, relays, and PDSes would need to move to one of the major PLC mirrors if the collapse was big enough.

        AP might become the same if the recent initiative to advance ActivityPods and C2S takes off.

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        #65

        @Kye @LappenjammerDieZweite

        You can't avoid this risk on any online platform, anything online could shut down or be misconfigured.

        Also, ATProto isn't decentralised: https://plus.flux.community/p/banning-controversy-reveals-blueskys

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        • cathybikesbook@mastodon.socialC cathybikesbook@mastodon.social

          @FediTips I was deciding between mastodon.social and mastodon.plus. ended up choosing mastodon social. I'm happy with my decision, although I am still relatively new here. I will say having all those different servers is confusing for new people. I remember when Mastodon first started, I didn't join because it was so confusing. That's definitely off-putting for new people. Fediverse and the concept of it is still confusing for me but I am trying to learn it.

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          #66

          @CathyBikesBook

          Thanks for the feedback 🙏

          I've made a sign-up site at https://fedi.garden which hopefully avoids this confusion. If there's anything I can do to make it even less confusing, feedback welcome there too.

          I know it is confusing but there are really important reasons why there are so many servers: https://fedi.tips/why-is-the-fediverse-on-so-many-separate-servers

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          • rfpatterson@mastodon.nzR rfpatterson@mastodon.nz

            @FediTips I am on mastodon.social but also on two other Mastodons and another #Fedi site. I seldom post on the big one. Does #FediTips want me to change anything?

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            #67

            @RFPatterson

            Most people only need one account on one server, because the servers talk to each other: https://fedi.tips/do-i-need-multiple-accounts-do-i-need-to-join-lots-of-servers

            But there are certain situations where multiple accounts are useful: https://fedi.tips/using-multiple-accounts-on-mastodon-and-the-fediverse/

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            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

              @imbrium_photography

              Most instances don't suspend mastodon.social, but if they do the workaround is to move to a third server that federates with both, then from the third server to the one you want.

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              #68

              @FediTips Thanks, I think I found that further down your move tips page, but I was a bit surprised by this stumbling block !
              While I could do A->[C]->B I suspect it will be easier just to find an instance C that I like and do A->C ... and there are some accounts on mastodon.social that I follow and wouldn't be able to see on B ...

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              • frieke72@mastodon.socialF frieke72@mastodon.social

                @Stomata Sharkey? Image of 🦈 flashes by....

                But this sounds great., now I've got to learn about instances 🤓 and see if mastodon.nl is one. Can you answer this @support ?

                @FediTips

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                #69

                @Frieke72 @Stomata @support

                Yes, Mastodon.nl is an instance (also known as a server).

                Sharkey is a very different kind of platform, it's got a very different interface. I'd recommend beginners starting on Mastodon as it's a bit easier and currently better supported, as you can move to a Sharkey server later if you want to.

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                • michelpatrice@jasette.facil.servicesM michelpatrice@jasette.facil.services

                  @FediTips

                  You say that you have over 200,000 followers and is on a single user server.

                  What kind of server do you have? I mean, what kind of RAM and storage, if these are the relevant specs?

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                  #70

                  @MichelPatrice

                  I use the managed hosting service @mastohost

                  They do all the techy stuff so they would know the specs. I assume I'm on some kind of shared server with other instances.

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    @MichelPatrice

                    I use the managed hosting service @mastohost

                    They do all the techy stuff so they would know the specs. I assume I'm on some kind of shared server with other instances.

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                    #71

                    @FediTips @mastohost

                    Thank you!

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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      @Kye @LappenjammerDieZweite

                      You can't avoid this risk on any online platform, anything online could shut down or be misconfigured.

                      Also, ATProto isn't decentralised: https://plus.flux.community/p/banning-controversy-reveals-blueskys

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                      #72

                      @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite Has nothing to do with what I said. Aside from being wrong.

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                      • kye@tech.lgbtK kye@tech.lgbt

                        @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite Has nothing to do with what I said. Aside from being wrong.

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                        #73

                        @Kye

                        If it's not decentralised then there's no meaningful migration.

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                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                          @Kye

                          If it's not decentralised then there's no meaningful migration.

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                          #74

                          @FediTips I'm not interested in your weird anti-Bluesky tangent. Demonstrate you read and understood literally anything I actually said or go away.

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                          • kye@tech.lgbtK kye@tech.lgbt

                            @FediTips I'm not interested in your weird anti-Bluesky tangent. Demonstrate you read and understood literally anything I actually said or go away.

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                            #75

                            @Kye

                            Um... you're the one replying to my thread?

                            Kind of weird to reply to someone and tell them to go away?

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                            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                              @Kye

                              Um... you're the one replying to my thread?

                              Kind of weird to reply to someone and tell them to go away?

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                              #76

                              @FediTips A mention of Bluesky exists but my comment isn't _about_ Bluesky. If you bothered you read instead of go off on a weird ideological rant based on a single word you would know that. _You_ made it about Bluesky.

                              Now buzz off.

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                              • kye@tech.lgbtK kye@tech.lgbt

                                @FediTips A mention of Bluesky exists but my comment isn't _about_ Bluesky. If you bothered you read instead of go off on a weird ideological rant based on a single word you would know that. _You_ made it about Bluesky.

                                Now buzz off.

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                                #77

                                @Kye

                                You can't reply to someone else's thread and tell them to buzz off, it makes no sense? 🙂

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                                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                  Mastodon.social has no advantages over any other Mastodon server. It has no special status or privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                  In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                  TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                  If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                  #FediTips

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                                  #78

                                  @FediTips the ultimate in decentralisation would be everyone runs their own instance with only one user

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                                  • dwillanski@aus.socialD dwillanski@aus.social

                                    @FediTips the ultimate in decentralisation would be everyone runs their own instance with only one user

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                                    #79

                                    @dwillanski

                                    That was attempted by various distributed networks, maybe most famously Scuttlebutt.

                                    However, the current structure of the internet apparently made this very difficult and they still had to use multiuser instances called "pubs" so people could discover others to follow.

                                    One of the most prominent Scuttlebutt projects was @manyver_se but it seems to be dormant now.

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