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  3. The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

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  • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

    @Stoori @schratze but spain are like sooo anti war right now they kicked out the US troops that were supposed to participate

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    @rune @Stoori @schratze only until the next elections! (looking at the polls... 😬)

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    • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

      The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

      Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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      #24

      @schratze I write to you, heartbroken and in tears, for my dear mother.
      I’m Kholoud from Ga🥺za. My 90-year-old mother is blind, immobile, and recently had a stroke. She cries from painful sores because we ran out of diapers. Pleease heeelp us with the cost of diapers and one package of her stroke medication (Eliquis) only 🙏💔

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      • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

        @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze
        lots of conflicting stories going around. hard to know what to believe. according to these two sources, china has been decreasing coal use for the last four years.

        https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/chn/china/coal-usage-consumption

        https://www.worldometers.info/coal/china-coal/

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        #25

        @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze

        My understanding is that at least part of the confusion is due to China building both new coal plans and renewables at a very high rate.

        They are adding a lot of new coal plants, but the proportion of total energy produced by coal still declines when you factor in all the new solar and wind they're doing at the same time.

        I am not a reliable source (although I do my best)! I think @parismarx discussed this in a recent episode of the #TechWontSaveUs podcast on the #GreenTransition

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        • plantarum@ottawa.placeP plantarum@ottawa.place

          @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze

          My understanding is that at least part of the confusion is due to China building both new coal plans and renewables at a very high rate.

          They are adding a lot of new coal plants, but the proportion of total energy produced by coal still declines when you factor in all the new solar and wind they're doing at the same time.

          I am not a reliable source (although I do my best)! I think @parismarx discussed this in a recent episode of the #TechWontSaveUs podcast on the #GreenTransition

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          #26

          @plantarum @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx figures i linked to are not proportionate to solar. just coal consumption.

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          • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

            @plantarum @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx figures i linked to are not proportionate to solar. just coal consumption.

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            #27

            @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze @parismarx

            From 2025. Lots of interesting details, including solar growing in proportion to coal, while coal continues to grow in absolute volume as well.

            "China is on its way to becoming the world’s first “electrostate”, with a growing share of its energy coming from electricity and an economy increasingly driven by clean technologies ...

            China remains the world’s biggest greenhouse gas producer and its power sector emissions reached a new high last year, driven by a rise in coal consumption... still the dominant fuel in its electricity mix, despite a surge in renewable capacity additions."

            https://www.ft.com/content/f86782fa-9f2e-448a-b710-29e787dc9831

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            • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

              The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

              Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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              #28

              @schratze excellent toot

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              • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                #29

                @schratze you wanted to say "they're not reliable enough in increasing the profits of shady regimes through manufactured crises"?

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                • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                  The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                  Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                  #30

                  @schratze I'm putting a 10% tax on wind!

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                  • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                    The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                    Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                    @schratze I hear that some companies are starting to offshore their wind turbines though.

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                    • odr_k4tana@infosec.exchangeO odr_k4tana@infosec.exchange

                      @schratze I'm putting a 10% tax on wind!

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                      #32

                      @odr_k4tana @schratze We've got to put a stop to all this cheap foreign sunlight that is flooding into the country.

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                      • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                        The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                        Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                        #33

                        @schratze the problem with energy, whether renewable or fossil, is not so much its production (i.e., generation, storage, transmission, and distribution) but rather our insatiable consumption of it.

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                        • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                          The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                          Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                          @schratze Space, with the delivery ayyylmaos
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                          • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                            @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Nevertheless the share of China's energy that comes from coal is declining fast and will continue to do so

                            https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN

                            Furthermore, some of the new coal plants replace older inefficient ones and produce fewer emissions.

                            One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t' gulf and planned accordingly.

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                            @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl Those powerplants do have a limited lifespan.

                            If they’re all coming due basically the same time, then the VC’s observation can be correct and misleading.

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                            • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz

                              @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl Those powerplants do have a limited lifespan.

                              If they’re all coming due basically the same time, then the VC’s observation can be correct and misleading.

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                              @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @samueljohnson @schratze lots of interesting observations thanks. To hopefully unconfuse: the only important metric is the absolute number for fossils. If that doesn't come down we're fucked.

                              It's going up, globally, at record rates, also for China.

                              My guess is that the main reason for this detail is that we're outsourcing production to China, instead of consuming less, and another wild guess is the main culprits still are cement and steel.

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                              • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                                @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @samueljohnson @schratze lots of interesting observations thanks. To hopefully unconfuse: the only important metric is the absolute number for fossils. If that doesn't come down we're fucked.

                                It's going up, globally, at record rates, also for China.

                                My guess is that the main reason for this detail is that we're outsourcing production to China, instead of consuming less, and another wild guess is the main culprits still are cement and steel.

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                                @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl

                                the only important metric is the absolute number for fossils.

                                Then I suppose you can thank the USA for their recent war. That’s going to accelerate divestment of fossil fuels in a lot of places.

                                Price will have doubled before long and won’t go down nearly as fast. That changes a lot of calculations on switchover.

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                                • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz

                                  @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl

                                  the only important metric is the absolute number for fossils.

                                  Then I suppose you can thank the USA for their recent war. That’s going to accelerate divestment of fossil fuels in a lot of places.

                                  Price will have doubled before long and won’t go down nearly as fast. That changes a lot of calculations on switchover.

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                                  @lispi314 there's always some asshole I can blame, I'm sure. And the #epsteinClass are usually excellent targets for that.

                                  But today I'll just plant some trees first 🙂

                                  @schratze

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                                  • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                                    @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Nevertheless the share of China's energy that comes from coal is declining fast and will continue to do so

                                    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN

                                    Furthermore, some of the new coal plants replace older inefficient ones and produce fewer emissions.

                                    One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t' gulf and planned accordingly.

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                                    @samueljohnson@mstdn.social @iwein@mas.to @emily_s@mastodon.me.uk @gardengeek@mstdn.social @schratze@todon.nl

                                    One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t’ gulf and planned accordingly.

                                    They probably expected it from literally all major sources of fossil fuels not within their borders.

                                    I would feel comfortable speculating the turn to solar is long-term strategy for decoupling internal stability from external shenanigans.

                                    They would also very well know the downsides of coal-based generation on health & such.

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                                    • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                                      @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @samueljohnson @schratze lots of interesting observations thanks. To hopefully unconfuse: the only important metric is the absolute number for fossils. If that doesn't come down we're fucked.

                                      It's going up, globally, at record rates, also for China.

                                      My guess is that the main reason for this detail is that we're outsourcing production to China, instead of consuming less, and another wild guess is the main culprits still are cement and steel.

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                                      @iwein @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze True. The rapid growth of renewables is our only hope and is happening, with predictions being exceeded every year. It's not Game Over yet, and there's some chance that current conflicts will further accelerate the transition.

                                      If cement industry was a country it would rank 7th for emissions (Economist some yrs ago). EU's CBAM should help w some of the diversion to China and others will need to follow. US insanity will (must) be unsustained.

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                                      • samueljohnson@mstdn.socialS samueljohnson@mstdn.social

                                        @iwein @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze True. The rapid growth of renewables is our only hope and is happening, with predictions being exceeded every year. It's not Game Over yet, and there's some chance that current conflicts will further accelerate the transition.

                                        If cement industry was a country it would rank 7th for emissions (Economist some yrs ago). EU's CBAM should help w some of the diversion to China and others will need to follow. US insanity will (must) be unsustained.

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                                        @samueljohnson @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Now if only we could have a solution to cement/concrete's CO2 it'd be great.

                                        edit: Apparently injecting CO2 into concrete as it sets mineralizes it on the spot which is interesting to know, I suppose.
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                                        • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
                                          @samueljohnson @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Now if only we could have a solution to cement/concrete's CO2 it'd be great.

                                          edit: Apparently injecting CO2 into concrete as it sets mineralizes it on the spot which is interesting to know, I suppose.
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                                          @lispi314 @emily_s @gardengeek @samueljohnson @schratze short term we should just use less of it, long term carbon itself provides materials far superior to concrete and steel.

                                          If we'd invest all the budgets going into war right now into research instead, it wouldn't take more than a few decades before we can produce something like graphene at scale.

                                          Not super realistic under capitalism and fascism, but certainly possible from a more scientific perspective.

                                          Oh well 🙂

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