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  3. In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time.

In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time.

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  • aoanla@hachyderm.ioA aoanla@hachyderm.io

    @MostlyHarmless I always assumed it's because replicated food is based off of a lower-resolution template, whilst the transporter does a unique high-res (destructive) copy of an object. So, every replicated steak is 'the same steak', and the compression artifacts make it a bit less good than the real thing.

    (This makes sense if you consider several episodes of Star Trek imply it takes huge amounts of storage to hold a transporter pattern, yet replicators have extensive menus available to them - clearly replicator patterns are compressed or just low-res by comparison, with an apparently noticeable quality trade-off)

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    #22

    @aoanla @MostlyHarmless I *seem* to recall a mention that replicated food will turn into mush if you let it sit for too long? That would also speak for a "lower resolution," I suppose.

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    • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

      In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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      #23

      @MostlyHarmless I think the problem is that replicated food always tastes exactly the same, without all the tiny variations you get with freshly cooked food.

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      • chrpistorius@mastodon.onlineC chrpistorius@mastodon.online

        @aoanla @MostlyHarmless I *seem* to recall a mention that replicated food will turn into mush if you let it sit for too long? That would also speak for a "lower resolution," I suppose.

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        #24

        @chrpistorius @aoanla @MostlyHarmless It could also be a plausible story beat that the Federation regulates the replicators for nutritional content, so in addition to the scan being low-res, the recipies are also "healthy" in ways that make them less flavorful. I'd also lean into the idea that if you get a steak, it's always the _same_ steak, everywhere, and how that could get very boring compared to any fresh cooking.

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        • jleedev@mastodon.sdf.orgJ jleedev@mastodon.sdf.org

          @argv_minus_one @Wearwolf @howtophil @MostlyHarmless Just turn up the temperature on the replicator and eat whatever tail probability tokens get scrambled in

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          #25

          @jleedev @argv_minus_one @Wearwolf @MostlyHarmless You could scan multiple plates of scrambled eggs, but data storage seems to still be limited in the 24th century.

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          • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

            In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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            #26

            @MostlyHarmless Regarding the transporter perfectly replicating Spock

            I think it was the final season of Picard that said the transporter didn't copy some bits of people if the pattern for those bits was judged to be "common"

            These bits were then replicated from locally stored patterns, presumably to save bandwidth

            Compromising the locally stored patterns was a big plot point

            Of course my memory may have gone completely

            ...Gonna have to watch Picard again

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            • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

              In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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              #27

              @MostlyHarmless it's too bad we didn't get a Star Trek episode where they replicate analogue synths so Picard can say "it just doesn't sound like a real minimoog, it doesn't have that buttery filter"

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              • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                #28

                @MostlyHarmless 😆

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                • I isol@mastodon.au

                  @MostlyHarmless

                  Did they manufacture each replicator individually, or just make the first one, then use it to replicate all the other replicators?🤔

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                  #29

                  @isol @MostlyHarmless

                  Wouldn’t 2 replicators be needed?

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                  • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                    In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                    #30

                    @MostlyHarmless It's because qualia is a non-fungible token.

                    So you can transport a steak and it'll still taste as good, but you can't copy that stake or just create your own fraudulent duplicate from scratch without it tasting just a bit less juicy and more like ass.

                    You gotta drop the magical thinking and get with the science.

                    This is why they destroy the original when transporting you because you without qualia is just a weird zombie.

                    QED

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                    • scottgal@hachyderm.ioS scottgal@hachyderm.io

                      @MostlyHarmless Does imply that each time you transport you may smell and taste SLIGHTLY different but there's a social convention that it;s NEVER MENTIONED.

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                      #31

                      @scottgal @MostlyHarmless First rule of transporter club is you don't mention transporter club member's smell and you don't lick any other member of transport club
                      Second rule of transporter club is you don't mention transporter club member's smell and you don't lick any other member of transport club
                      Third rule of transporter club is Dr Pulaski is not on the club, so you may sniff and lick her consensually

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                      • A anon20394702398750@mastodon.social

                        @MostlyHarmless

                        If I were Star Trek people I would be more concerned about where the replicators get the matter the food is made of, and why aren't there any bathrooms on the Enterprise?

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                        #32

                        @anon20394702398750 @MostlyHarmless "My food tastes a little bit like Spock, is this my Spock smells a little less … oh!"

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                        • curiously@mastodon.auC curiously@mastodon.au

                          @MostlyHarmless
                          hmmm physics would then suggest there is an anti-Spock somewhere, getting more and more flavourful over time. Once again the mysteries of the universe are explained.
                          [Causally browsing Spock recipes on the internet]

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                          #33

                          @curiously @MostlyHarmless Certainly in the mirror verse

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                          • shaedrich@mastodon.onlineS shaedrich@mastodon.online

                            @curiously @MostlyHarmless Certainly in the mirror verse

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                            #34

                            @curiously @MostlyHarmless The beard could maybe then be explained as a transporter malfunction 🤔

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                            • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                              In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                              #35

                              @MostlyHarmless There should have been an episode where some brought five loaves of bread and two fish on board and used the transporter to create a multitude of copies to give out to everyone in the mess hall and everyone would praise them for their extraordinary replicator recipes

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                                In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                                #36

                                @MostlyHarmless There should be an episode in which the crew of the enterprise encounters a species that they beam aboard which then complains that the transporter left our their specific birthmarks so that they now all look identical and can't distinguish each other, because of an oversimplification error, which will—of course—lead to a diplomatic crisis, which Picard will solve with a Shakespearean monologue about the differences between people and cultures.

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                                • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                                  In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                                  #37

                                  @MostlyHarmless I'm pretty sure, Spock is still … fully functional

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                                  • shaedrich@mastodon.onlineS shaedrich@mastodon.online

                                    @MostlyHarmless There should be an episode in which the crew of the enterprise encounters a species that they beam aboard which then complains that the transporter left our their specific birthmarks so that they now all look identical and can't distinguish each other, because of an oversimplification error, which will—of course—lead to a diplomatic crisis, which Picard will solve with a Shakespearean monologue about the differences between people and cultures.

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                                    #38

                                    @MostlyHarmless Or less noticeable, the transporter removed the pheromones and the species only realizes this some time later, when they break up their relationships and don't start new ones. They start to panic and urge the federation to fix this. The best blueshirts and blueskants are employed to work on a solution but can't find one. at the end of the episode, the species reports that they discovered that their newborn children adapted to this themselves naturally.

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                                    • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                                      In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                                      #39

                                      @MostlyHarmless transporting Spock is like taking a picture of Spock while replicating Spock is basically an AI slop "picture" of Spock! Just not like the real thing but trained on a lot of pictures of Spock.

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                                        #40

                                        @jessta @MostlyHarmless

                                        But is that really a problem. People get ridiculously specific when trying to have the barista make their latte just perfectly.

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                                        • mostlyharmless@thecanadian.socialM mostlyharmless@thecanadian.social

                                          In Star Trek people often complain that replicated food is not as good as naturally produced food, which is weird when replicators are presumably using the same technology as transporters, which can perfectly replicate Spock every time. But is Spock getting less flavoursome over time? In this essay I shall…

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                                          #41

                                          @MostlyHarmless

                                          I kinda did that story and submitted it to be available on a Star Trek fan fiction site.
                                          The site runner was not pleased.

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