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  3. People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump.

People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump.

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  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

    People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

    PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

    Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

    VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

    orionkidder@mas.toO This user is from outside of this forum
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    #3

    @drahardja Yes.

    And then, once the Democrats are in power, do NOT let them sleep until they prosecute everyone anywhere near the Republican party who aided in Trump's lawbreaking and ban the party itself.

    Otherwise, they will just run again in the next election. It's not over until you show them they can't do this again.

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    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

      People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

      PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

      Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

      VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

      joriki@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #4

      @drahardja

      related:

      https://mas.to/@Techaltar/116393412483853913

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      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

        People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

        PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

        Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

        VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

        libramoon@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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        libramoon@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #5

        @drahardja

        if enough of us wrote/emailed/phoned/screamed outside their office to our congressional reps to IMPEACH or face voter outrage leading to being voted out, and kept it up, we could regain our democracy

        https://5calls.org

        citizensimpeachment.com/

        https://couragefordemocracy.com/#candidates

        https://vote.gov/register

        https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/current

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        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

          People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

          PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

          Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

          VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

          kgw@cosocial.caK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #6

          @drahardja A victory for Hungary and the EU, a lifeline for Ukraine, another nail in Trump's coffin and an overdue setback for Putin. Great news!

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          • npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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            #7

            7/

            28. Sherrilyn Fisher $13,299,894
            29. David Millstone $13,413,486
            30. Lynne Walton $13,037,750
            31. Charles Schwab $12,801,600
            32. Stephen Wynn $12,518,750
            33. Anthony Lomangino $9,529,705
            34. J. Christopher Reyes $9,536,425
            35. Jay Winters Faison $9,084,324
            36. James Davis $8,497,854
            37. John W. Childs $8,694,286
            38. Patricia Duggan $8,446,099
            39. Richard G. Haworth $7,500,800
            40. Marc J. Rowan $8,721,299
            41. Jeffrey Specher, Kelly Loeffler $7,052,013
            42. John L. Nau III $7,030,556

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            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

              7/

              28. Sherrilyn Fisher $13,299,894
              29. David Millstone $13,413,486
              30. Lynne Walton $13,037,750
              31. Charles Schwab $12,801,600
              32. Stephen Wynn $12,518,750
              33. Anthony Lomangino $9,529,705
              34. J. Christopher Reyes $9,536,425
              35. Jay Winters Faison $9,084,324
              36. James Davis $8,497,854
              37. John W. Childs $8,694,286
              38. Patricia Duggan $8,446,099
              39. Richard G. Haworth $7,500,800
              40. Marc J. Rowan $8,721,299
              41. Jeffrey Specher, Kelly Loeffler $7,052,013
              42. John L. Nau III $7,030,556

              npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #8

              8/

              43. John & Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
              44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
              45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
              46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
              47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
              48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
              49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
              50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
              51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
              52. Ross & Sarah Perot $5,643,416
              53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
              54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
              55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
              56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899

              https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

                thenovemberman@bookstodon.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #9

                @drahardja 👍💯👍

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                • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                  8/

                  43. John & Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
                  44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
                  45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
                  46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
                  47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
                  48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
                  49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
                  50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
                  51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
                  52. Ross & Sarah Perot $5,643,416
                  53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
                  54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
                  55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
                  56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899

                  https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors

                  cdarwin@c.imC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  cdarwin@c.im
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #10

                  @Npars01
                  Who are the biggest doners?
                  @mastoreaderio unroll please

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                  • cdarwin@c.imC cdarwin@c.im

                    @Npars01
                    Who are the biggest doners?
                    @mastoreaderio unroll please

                    mastoreaderio@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    mastoreaderio@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #11

                    @cdarwin here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc.im%2F%40cdarwin%2F116394673361342000

                    Next time, kindly set the visibility to 'Mentioned people only' and mention only me (@mastoreaderio). This ensures we avoid spamming others' timelines and threads unless you intend for others to see the unrolled thread link as well.

                    Thank you!

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                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                      People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                      PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                      Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                      VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

                      emerson61@toot.communityE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #12

                      @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                      • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                        @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                        #13

                        @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                        Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                        • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                          @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                          #14

                          @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                          • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                            @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                            #15

                            @Emerson61 @drahardja

                            Absurd. There will be a Democratic Primary. It will be riveting and get the entire nation fired up. The best candidate will win the nomination and crush the Republican candidate.

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                            • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                              @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                              #16

                              @maccruiskeen @Emerson61 @drahardja

                              He will certainly run. We will see if he is any good. The best candidate will prevail. That's the way the primaries work.

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                                #17

                                @drahardja first, good job to hungarian people! Second, if they can do it, then the US citizens can as well. Good luck for the 3rd November midterm elections!

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                                • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                                  @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                                  #18

                                  @Emerson61 @drahardja

                                  Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                                  TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                                  Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                                  And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                                  But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                                  Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                                  #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                                    Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                                    #19

                                    @drahardja @Emerson61 And Newsom is a fine example of why the primaries are so very important because we really do not want that used car salesman.

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                                    • mab_813@fedi.atM mab_813@fedi.at

                                      @Emerson61 @drahardja

                                      Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                                      TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                                      Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                                      And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                                      But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                                      Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                                      #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                                      #20

                                      @Mab_813 @Emerson61 @drahardja The disdain you have comes from not being present to watch how it happens in practice.

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                                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                        People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                        PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                        Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                        VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

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                                        linza@kamu.social
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                                        #21

                                        @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                        • linza@kamu.socialL linza@kamu.social

                                          @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                          #22

                                          @drahardja All of these are achievable in a single cycle with the proper application of guillotine.

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