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  • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

    oldhaapi@mastodon.worldO ashwin@defcon.socialA mxalba@blahaj.zoneM zelda@m.ai6yr.orgZ hrast@sunny.gardenH 8 Replies Last reply
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    • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

      Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

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      #2

      @joyoftech
      A most succinct summary of the Meta settlement.

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      • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

        Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

        ashwin@defcon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @joyoftech

        JUSTICE: HOW TO KILL META!
        ========================

        The legal math on media is broken. The punitive measures are not effective deterrents.

        If you look at the numbers, Meta does harmful things, apologizes, pays a pittance, and still comes out ahead financially.

        Zuckerberg sold out his users data to Cambridge Analytica, influencing the US election. Then he appeared before Congress like a contrite little schoolboy - "Oops! I didn't mean to accidentally cut multibillion dollar deals and sell out Facebook users. Honest mistake. I promise not to do it again ( unless the price is right! )"
        Because of the math, he still came out ahead.

        I left Meta's platforms a long time ago.

        People who are not savvy, are locked into the Facebook walled garden, because of the Network Effect. ( "I can't leave Facebook. All my friends are on Facebook!" )

        Having liberated ourselves, it is our duty to liberate others, who are still trapped, to give them their right to privacy.

        Here's a plan of action:

        1) Place ads on Facebook, explaining the benefits of #Mastodon
        ( https://joinmastodon.org/ )

        1.1) Freedom from Meta's censorship and algorithms.

        1.2) A community owned, open social media platform.

        2) When a user clicks, guide them through exporting their data from Facebook, and deleting their Facebook account.

        3) Give them an optional questionnaire, asking about their interests, and match them with the right Mastodon instance.

        4) If they skip the optional questionnaire, pick a random Mastodon instance for them.

        5) Give them an option to enter into a Facebook migration registry.

        6) Help them set up a Mastodon account and import their data.

        7) If they opted into the migrant registry, reconnect them with their former Facebook connections, who also joined the registry. Like a reunion in Heaven with your loved ones. ☺️

        #FaceBook #Meta #instagram #WhatsApp #SocialMedia #Fediverse #Mastodon #Technology #Tech #Justice
        #FuckZuck #FOSS #Linux #OpenSource #Freedom #Liberty
        #Law #USA

        markjamestwn1301@fe.disroot.orgM murdoc@autistics.lifeM hrast@sunny.gardenH draken@masto.nycD 4 Replies Last reply
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        • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

          @joyoftech

          JUSTICE: HOW TO KILL META!
          ========================

          The legal math on media is broken. The punitive measures are not effective deterrents.

          If you look at the numbers, Meta does harmful things, apologizes, pays a pittance, and still comes out ahead financially.

          Zuckerberg sold out his users data to Cambridge Analytica, influencing the US election. Then he appeared before Congress like a contrite little schoolboy - "Oops! I didn't mean to accidentally cut multibillion dollar deals and sell out Facebook users. Honest mistake. I promise not to do it again ( unless the price is right! )"
          Because of the math, he still came out ahead.

          I left Meta's platforms a long time ago.

          People who are not savvy, are locked into the Facebook walled garden, because of the Network Effect. ( "I can't leave Facebook. All my friends are on Facebook!" )

          Having liberated ourselves, it is our duty to liberate others, who are still trapped, to give them their right to privacy.

          Here's a plan of action:

          1) Place ads on Facebook, explaining the benefits of #Mastodon
          ( https://joinmastodon.org/ )

          1.1) Freedom from Meta's censorship and algorithms.

          1.2) A community owned, open social media platform.

          2) When a user clicks, guide them through exporting their data from Facebook, and deleting their Facebook account.

          3) Give them an optional questionnaire, asking about their interests, and match them with the right Mastodon instance.

          4) If they skip the optional questionnaire, pick a random Mastodon instance for them.

          5) Give them an option to enter into a Facebook migration registry.

          6) Help them set up a Mastodon account and import their data.

          7) If they opted into the migrant registry, reconnect them with their former Facebook connections, who also joined the registry. Like a reunion in Heaven with your loved ones. ☺️

          #FaceBook #Meta #instagram #WhatsApp #SocialMedia #Fediverse #Mastodon #Technology #Tech #Justice
          #FuckZuck #FOSS #Linux #OpenSource #Freedom #Liberty
          #Law #USA

          markjamestwn1301@fe.disroot.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
          markjamestwn1301@fe.disroot.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4
          @ashwin
          While I indeed do appreciate the effort and agree with your suggestions, I feel like mentioning the #Fediverse as a whole instead of merely #Mastodon's implementation would be more true to the mission of our project.

          Additionally, the proposition of a “random server” may not be as simple as you may initially assume. I feel like if they somehow end up in a server with policies they dislike, this may risk the possible inverse effect of people being even more put-off by the Fediverse due to a bad first impression.

          Finally, due to the demographics of Facebook users being on the more older side, I'd like to posit that perhaps a comparison to the #Usenet #newsgroups of old would help make the explanation more pedagogically accessible. Cheers!

          [i]“Long live humanity, and may they be a dream that never truly dies.”[/i]

          @joyoftech

          #SocialJustice #Activism #FreeSoftware #HumanEmancipation
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          • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

            @joyoftech

            JUSTICE: HOW TO KILL META!
            ========================

            The legal math on media is broken. The punitive measures are not effective deterrents.

            If you look at the numbers, Meta does harmful things, apologizes, pays a pittance, and still comes out ahead financially.

            Zuckerberg sold out his users data to Cambridge Analytica, influencing the US election. Then he appeared before Congress like a contrite little schoolboy - "Oops! I didn't mean to accidentally cut multibillion dollar deals and sell out Facebook users. Honest mistake. I promise not to do it again ( unless the price is right! )"
            Because of the math, he still came out ahead.

            I left Meta's platforms a long time ago.

            People who are not savvy, are locked into the Facebook walled garden, because of the Network Effect. ( "I can't leave Facebook. All my friends are on Facebook!" )

            Having liberated ourselves, it is our duty to liberate others, who are still trapped, to give them their right to privacy.

            Here's a plan of action:

            1) Place ads on Facebook, explaining the benefits of #Mastodon
            ( https://joinmastodon.org/ )

            1.1) Freedom from Meta's censorship and algorithms.

            1.2) A community owned, open social media platform.

            2) When a user clicks, guide them through exporting their data from Facebook, and deleting their Facebook account.

            3) Give them an optional questionnaire, asking about their interests, and match them with the right Mastodon instance.

            4) If they skip the optional questionnaire, pick a random Mastodon instance for them.

            5) Give them an option to enter into a Facebook migration registry.

            6) Help them set up a Mastodon account and import their data.

            7) If they opted into the migrant registry, reconnect them with their former Facebook connections, who also joined the registry. Like a reunion in Heaven with your loved ones. ☺️

            #FaceBook #Meta #instagram #WhatsApp #SocialMedia #Fediverse #Mastodon #Technology #Tech #Justice
            #FuckZuck #FOSS #Linux #OpenSource #Freedom #Liberty
            #Law #USA

            murdoc@autistics.lifeM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @ashwin @joyoftech
            This is a good start of an idea, because only collective action is going to lead to any good outcomes.

            However I think that this needs some more development. For instance, who's going to pay for the ads? And secondly, wouldn't Facebook either bury the ads so they get little to no exposure, or even just outright refuse the ads?

            When/if we can solve those problems, we can get to work on assembling volunteers to start building the infrastructure for the rest of it. If those problems can't be solved, then we can brainstorm an alternative approach and see how much of the rest of the plan we can salvage, unless any better ideas come up.

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            • murdoc@autistics.lifeM murdoc@autistics.life

              @ashwin @joyoftech
              This is a good start of an idea, because only collective action is going to lead to any good outcomes.

              However I think that this needs some more development. For instance, who's going to pay for the ads? And secondly, wouldn't Facebook either bury the ads so they get little to no exposure, or even just outright refuse the ads?

              When/if we can solve those problems, we can get to work on assembling volunteers to start building the infrastructure for the rest of it. If those problems can't be solved, then we can brainstorm an alternative approach and see how much of the rest of the plan we can salvage, unless any better ideas come up.

              ashwin@defcon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @murdoc @joyoftech

              Thanks. It was indeed, meant to be a start, subject to community input, rather than a complete solution.

              1. We could set up a website to facilitate the exodus out of Facebook/Twitter. Say: Facebook2Fedi.org and Twitter2Fedi.org

              2. The websites can be publicized through word of mouth, or any number of other means, not just through ads on Facebook.

              3. It's a week's worth of work for an experienced programmer. So the requirements break down as:
              + A programmer's pay for 1 week. ( or a volunteer programmer ).

              + 2 internet domains.

              + managed web hosting costs for 1 year.

              + customer support hotline number.

              A lot of these costs can probably be covered by existing Free Software projects, which may offer free hosting. We might find enough Fediverse volunteers to operate the hotlines.

              Thoughts?

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              • markjamestwn1301@fe.disroot.orgM markjamestwn1301@fe.disroot.org
                @ashwin
                While I indeed do appreciate the effort and agree with your suggestions, I feel like mentioning the #Fediverse as a whole instead of merely #Mastodon's implementation would be more true to the mission of our project.

                Additionally, the proposition of a “random server” may not be as simple as you may initially assume. I feel like if they somehow end up in a server with policies they dislike, this may risk the possible inverse effect of people being even more put-off by the Fediverse due to a bad first impression.

                Finally, due to the demographics of Facebook users being on the more older side, I'd like to posit that perhaps a comparison to the #Usenet #newsgroups of old would help make the explanation more pedagogically accessible. Cheers!

                [i]“Long live humanity, and may they be a dream that never truly dies.”[/i]

                @joyoftech

                #SocialJustice #Activism #FreeSoftware #HumanEmancipation
                ashwin@defcon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @markjamestwn1301 @joyoftech

                Good ideas there. Perhaps an introduction to the #fediverse at large is the better approach.

                ( https://fediverse.info/ )

                You are also right that a random instance might not be optimal. Perhaps a few handpicked, general instances would be a good default. eg: Mastodon.social

                As for the rest, please see a more detailed implementation plan here:

                https://defcon.social/@ashwin/117172040923905620

                Please keep the ideas coming. I very much appreciate it.

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                • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

                  Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

                  mxalba@blahaj.zoneM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @joyoftech@mastodon.world

                  The WhatsApp icon is missing though... It's concerning that people seem to always forget that WhatsApp belongs to Meta too...

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                  • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

                    @murdoc @joyoftech

                    Thanks. It was indeed, meant to be a start, subject to community input, rather than a complete solution.

                    1. We could set up a website to facilitate the exodus out of Facebook/Twitter. Say: Facebook2Fedi.org and Twitter2Fedi.org

                    2. The websites can be publicized through word of mouth, or any number of other means, not just through ads on Facebook.

                    3. It's a week's worth of work for an experienced programmer. So the requirements break down as:
                    + A programmer's pay for 1 week. ( or a volunteer programmer ).

                    + 2 internet domains.

                    + managed web hosting costs for 1 year.

                    + customer support hotline number.

                    A lot of these costs can probably be covered by existing Free Software projects, which may offer free hosting. We might find enough Fediverse volunteers to operate the hotlines.

                    Thoughts?

                    nefex@ruhr.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @ashwin @murdoc @joyoftech
                    There ist already something started for this the https://di.day/ and it goes further.

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                    • mxalba@blahaj.zoneM mxalba@blahaj.zone

                      @joyoftech@mastodon.world

                      The WhatsApp icon is missing though... It's concerning that people seem to always forget that WhatsApp belongs to Meta too...

                      epic_null@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @MxAlba @joyoftech It really is given how often I hear it refeered to as a secure messaging platform

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                      • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

                        Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

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                        #11

                        @joyoftech

                        We're doomed and they'll make a profit from our doom. This is what capitalism looks when it is unchecked — even while losing they're still winning.

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                        • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

                          Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

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                          #12

                          @joyoftech FB migration registry?

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                          • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

                            Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

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                            #13

                            @joyoftech sad but true.

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                            • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

                              @joyoftech

                              JUSTICE: HOW TO KILL META!
                              ========================

                              The legal math on media is broken. The punitive measures are not effective deterrents.

                              If you look at the numbers, Meta does harmful things, apologizes, pays a pittance, and still comes out ahead financially.

                              Zuckerberg sold out his users data to Cambridge Analytica, influencing the US election. Then he appeared before Congress like a contrite little schoolboy - "Oops! I didn't mean to accidentally cut multibillion dollar deals and sell out Facebook users. Honest mistake. I promise not to do it again ( unless the price is right! )"
                              Because of the math, he still came out ahead.

                              I left Meta's platforms a long time ago.

                              People who are not savvy, are locked into the Facebook walled garden, because of the Network Effect. ( "I can't leave Facebook. All my friends are on Facebook!" )

                              Having liberated ourselves, it is our duty to liberate others, who are still trapped, to give them their right to privacy.

                              Here's a plan of action:

                              1) Place ads on Facebook, explaining the benefits of #Mastodon
                              ( https://joinmastodon.org/ )

                              1.1) Freedom from Meta's censorship and algorithms.

                              1.2) A community owned, open social media platform.

                              2) When a user clicks, guide them through exporting their data from Facebook, and deleting their Facebook account.

                              3) Give them an optional questionnaire, asking about their interests, and match them with the right Mastodon instance.

                              4) If they skip the optional questionnaire, pick a random Mastodon instance for them.

                              5) Give them an option to enter into a Facebook migration registry.

                              6) Help them set up a Mastodon account and import their data.

                              7) If they opted into the migrant registry, reconnect them with their former Facebook connections, who also joined the registry. Like a reunion in Heaven with your loved ones. ☺️

                              #FaceBook #Meta #instagram #WhatsApp #SocialMedia #Fediverse #Mastodon #Technology #Tech #Justice
                              #FuckZuck #FOSS #Linux #OpenSource #Freedom #Liberty
                              #Law #USA

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                              #14

                              @ashwin @joyoftech what's Facebook migration registry?

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                              • hrast@sunny.gardenH hrast@sunny.garden

                                @ashwin @joyoftech what's Facebook migration registry?

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                                #15

                                @hrast @joyoftech

                                Every user leaving Facebook can opt into the Facebook migration registry.

                                Every user who joins Mastodon, will be automatically reconnected with their Facebook friends, who also opted into the registry.

                                Here in Japan, there are earthquakes and tsunamis. In any areas of catastrophic change, it is good to have a registry, so one can be reunited with one's family and friends, after a shake up.

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                                • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

                                  @hrast @joyoftech

                                  Every user leaving Facebook can opt into the Facebook migration registry.

                                  Every user who joins Mastodon, will be automatically reconnected with their Facebook friends, who also opted into the registry.

                                  Here in Japan, there are earthquakes and tsunamis. In any areas of catastrophic change, it is good to have a registry, so one can be reunited with one's family and friends, after a shake up.

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                                  #16

                                  @ashwin @joyoftech but is there already such a thing?

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                                  • hrast@sunny.gardenH hrast@sunny.garden

                                    @ashwin @joyoftech but is there already such a thing?

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                                    #17

                                    @hrast @joyoftech

                                    Not to my knowledge. This is the #DIY world, and I am asking the community to help with this effort.

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                                    • ashwin@defcon.socialA ashwin@defcon.social

                                      @hrast @joyoftech

                                      Not to my knowledge. This is the #DIY world, and I am asking the community to help with this effort.

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                                      #18

                                      @ashwin @joyoftech we can ask Cambridge Analytica for help 🤭

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                                      • joyoftech@mastodon.worldJ joyoftech@mastodon.world

                                        Meta's Celebration https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/3284.html

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                                        #19

                                        @joyoftech I #shitcanned Facebook after ~20yr in the past week or so. I was hardly using it anyway, but I fear the damage is done, and their GDPR compliance may be performative only

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                                        • epic_null@infosec.exchangeE epic_null@infosec.exchange

                                          @MxAlba @joyoftech It really is given how often I hear it refeered to as a secure messaging platform

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                                          #20

                                          @Epic_Null @MxAlba @joyoftech The stories in the Japanese press about a US examination into access by Accenture to private WhatsApp content have shall we say, gone dark?

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