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  3. You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

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  • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

    You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

    Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

    We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

    Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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    #42

    @renata Honestly I'm sure that's part of it, but honestly it's also just Doug taking revenge on Toronto for being upset that his Brother was smoking crack in office and took steps to remove him from office as a result. Frankly it shouldn't be allowed for the Provincial Government to override the City like that.

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    • grumble209@kolektiva.socialG grumble209@kolektiva.social

      @renata Are the Waymo cars equipped to handle the cold?

      How about Molotov cocktails?

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      #43

      @grumble209 @renata They can't even handle a traffic cone being placed on the hood.

      Also worth mentioning that molotov cocktails are usually not the best idea.

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      • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

        @renata WTF?!

        '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

        I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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        #44

        @Chigaze @renata
        But with AI all Waymo has to do is vibe code bike lane awareness, right?

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        • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

          @Chigaze @renata Well, I think that basically seals Waymo's fate in the Netherlands and Denmark. 😜

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          #45

          @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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          • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

            You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

            Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

            We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

            Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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            #46

            @renata

            This things are a scourge. If you can, keep them out of your town or city.

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            • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

              You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

              Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

              We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

              Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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              #47

              @renata

              Maybe @notjustbikes has something to say.

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              • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                @renata WTF?!

                '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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                #48

                @Chigaze
                @renata
                Ford told child death critics that even slightly shorter hoods is "too high a bar" because customers want to feel like big manly men.

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                • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                  You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                  Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                  We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                  Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                  #49

                  @renata Who owns Waymo?

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                  • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                    You may say it's a conspiracy theory but Waymo is arriving in Toronto and we have this master plan to dismantle our bike lanes happening at the same time

                    Waymo has issues with San Francisco bike lanes https://futurism.com/future-society/waymo-bike-lanes-traffic

                    We start removing our bike lanes in #toronto the same day Waymo puts their first cars in the streets for testing (plan to rollout by 2028)

                    Yes I am suspicious AF #waymo #ontario #biketooter #onpoli

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                    #50

                    @renata How many strikes before we just ban automobiles in cities, because this would certainly be one.

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                    • chigaze@cosocial.caC chigaze@cosocial.ca

                      @renata WTF?!

                      '…Waymo told safe street advocates that bike lane-awareness is “too high a bar,” because customers want to be dropped off in them.’

                      I’m failing to see why legally this is even remotely relevant. It would be like allowing them to speed or run red lights because customers want to go faster.

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                      #51

                      @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                      • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                        • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                      And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                      • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                      • netzblockierer@tech.lgbtN netzblockierer@tech.lgbt

                        @Chigaze @renata In #Germany, this would basically count as admitting to violating #TrafficCode on Purpose, which is at least doubling the penalty and gets driving licenses suspended due to the driver 'proving to be socio-psychologically unfit for the responsibilities of participating in traffic'…

                        • And we ain't talking about mere #fines here, but "Endangering Traffic Participants" is entering #felony territory with (in this case) at least a temporary license suspension if not permanent ban from reacquiring a driving license unless cleared with a psych eval.
                          • And given #Waymo is a #business doing that, this means it's a #CriminalEnterprise who's actions aim against laws, so they can be banned as a #CriminalOrganization and their assets seized as well as their entire staff from CEO to driver/janitor/dispatcher arrested for their roles.

                        And now you know why Waymo won't come to Germany.

                        • And mind you Germany is already considered the most lenient #EU / #EFTA member with the lowest fines adj. to income.
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                        #52

                        @Chigaze @renata Personally, I'd advocate for installing Armadillos with Calthorps, vertical barrier sticks or even stop Sticks into the bike lane markings to puncture offending car tires.

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                        • dannotdaniel@hellions.cloudD dannotdaniel@hellions.cloud

                          @datarama @Chigaze @renata Wayless

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                          #53

                          @dannotdaniel @datarama @Chigaze @renata also in Germany and we ain't even doing 10% of Dutch Cycling Infrastructure…

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                          • cstamp@mastodon.socialC cstamp@mastodon.social

                            @Chigaze @renata So those who use them ARE as big an asshole has any who allows them on the street, as well as the company.

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                            #54

                            @CStamp @Chigaze @renata Yes.

                            A "Criminal Enterprise" by some definitions…

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                            • nerde@beige.partyN nerde@beige.party

                              @Chigaze @renata
                              But with AI all Waymo has to do is vibe code bike lane awareness, right?

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                              #55

                              @Nerde @Chigaze @renata they won't unless forced at gunpoint or at least facing jailtime…
                              https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117471633979384122

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                              • geodarcy@yeg.bikeG geodarcy@yeg.bike

                                @Chigaze @renata It was recently changed but Waymo couldn’t get tickets in California. There may be other places where driverless vehicles cannot get a ticket.

                                Remember that these types of violations by AVs aren’t a momentary lack of judgement or attention but a design choice that was debated in meetings by multiple people

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                                #56

                                @geodarcy @Chigaze @renata in Germany, EVERY VEHICLE MUST HAVE A LICENSED DRIVER and that person behind the wheel is 100% responsible for said vehicle!

                                • Will be fun to see #Waymo even try to get commercial transport permits, as they'll need people with 2 years of valid license willing to put that on the line for a Criminal Enterprise…
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                                • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                                  "It's great they remove the bike lanes, it will reduce traffic, the lanes sit empty anyway"

                                  Oh yeah do you think they're emptying the lanes for YOU, Josh? That's... special.

                                  Wait until you see a line up of driverless, empty cars where those "empty" bike lanes used to be, Josh.

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                                  #57

                                  @renata Highways and Train Tracks too are mostly empty too, but those don't get converted into cycling paths either…

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                                  • renata@cosocial.caR renata@cosocial.ca

                                    @CStamp That’s the idea, they only think about themselves.

                                    So if something affects them directly (imminent unemployment and death of the only job they have had for the last five years) they will care about it

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                                    #58

                                    @renata @CStamp Most of the people doing tjat are already dead inside, much less able and willing to organize or god forbid unionize.

                                    People who unsarcastically think "The Grindset" is something to aspire for will gladly commit to a Criminal Enterprise

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                                    • howtophil@oldbytes.spaceH howtophil@oldbytes.space

                                      @renata The automobile industry bought and destroyed most of the train and streetcar infrastructure in the USA decades ago. This is a part of the regular playbook and I will not be surprised when this "theory" turns out to be true.

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                                      #59

                                      @howtophil @renata it is…

                                      https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117471680373404826

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                                      • wanderinghuman@cosocial.caW wanderinghuman@cosocial.ca

                                        @renata @digipooch And the Alberta government now.

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                                        #60

                                        @WanderingHuman @renata @digipooch People should just block lanes.

                                        #CriticalMass / #KidicalMass style…

                                        https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117471680373404826

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                                          #61

                                          @retrosponge @renata German Police will have a field week with #Waymo…

                                          https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117471633979384122

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