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  3. Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

    You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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    #35

    @sundogplanets I spent a week at Wadi Rum about 25 years ago and it was literally eye-opening. Living in Bavaria we still have areas with less light pollution, but standing in the desert in absolute silence and seeing what people saw thousands of years ago had a profound effect.

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

      You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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      #36

      @sundogplanets I fondly remember my last 'dark sky' experience. It was on a horse pack trip in the Washington State Cascades. I got up in the middle of the night to look for a tree that needed watering. There was no moon and the Milky Way was glorious. It was hard to go back to the tent to sleep.

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

        You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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        #37

        @sundogplanets I remember, as a child, lying down on the ground at night, looking up and it changing my perception of gravity. The sensation stopped being looking "up" and became looking out. Felt like you could fall into the sky forever.

        Even during daytime I can still get that sensation a bit if I lie like that. Once you've felt it, it stays with you. Feels important that people still get to have that.

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        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

          RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

          Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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          #38

          @sundogplanets De-funding trillionairs would be an excellent start.

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          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

            "At night this reassuring curtain of blue is pulled away and you realize where you really are: at infinity’s doorstep. A plain is what a mountain aims to be: the closest you can come to being in outer space while yet having your feet on this planet."

            I really hope to get out to Grasslands Nat'l Park this week and appreciate infinity's doorstep, despite smoke and satellites trying to take that away.

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            #39

            @sundogplanets
            When I was a kid, decades ago, an uncle had 10 acres with a nice cabin, in the mountains, a few hours from Buffalo. No plumbing or electricity, but the sky was glorious. Other than camping in the Pine Barrens, it was the only light pollution free view I've had. I grew up 1/2 hrs from Philly.

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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

              You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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              #40

              @sundogplanets

              Or by using the likes of Google Earth. That did it for me back in the early 2000s when it was a desktop application.

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              • linkshaender@bildung.socialL linkshaender@bildung.social

                @sundogplanets I spent a week at Wadi Rum about 25 years ago and it was literally eye-opening. Living in Bavaria we still have areas with less light pollution, but standing in the desert in absolute silence and seeing what people saw thousands of years ago had a profound effect.

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                #41

                @Linkshaender @sundogplanets

                I was really hoping this would be the case when I was in Death Valley, but the light is definitely creeping too.

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

                  Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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                  #42

                  @sundogplanets

                  "Oh, wow... Are there always this many stars??" my classmate who'd recently moved to eastern Oregon from Los Angeles asked, as we stood there in the parking lot gazing upwards.... from DIRECTLY UNDER STREETLAMPS.

                  "Well," I began, "First you need to get fifty miles from any major cities. Then, give your pupils about two hours to adjust.... THEN we can start to talk about how many stars there really are."

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                  • aimeemaroux@mastodon.socialA aimeemaroux@mastodon.social

                    @sundogplanets I live close to an airport, so I don't usually see a starry night sky. But I had a beautiful experience where I was in the mountains over night about 15 years ago where I saw a clear sky and it was just magical. A similar moment just 2 years ago was sobering. Most of what I saw were blinking satellites 😔

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                    #43

                    @AimeeMaroux @sundogplanets
                    Satellites aren't supposed to blink, though.

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                    • leeloo@c.imL leeloo@c.im

                      @AimeeMaroux @sundogplanets
                      Satellites aren't supposed to blink, though.

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                      #44

                      @leeloo @AimeeMaroux They can blink if they are tumbling. (Which generally means they are broken)

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                        #45

                        @emmadavidson There are times of night in the wintertime when you can't see any satellites... but yeah. The billionaires have taken that away from us.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                          You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                          #46

                          @sundogplanets I support this movement. Give everyone the chance to see something clearly in the night sky with their own eyes and it can change perception profoundly. I remember the first time I saw Saturn with my own telescope. It cements how tiny we are.

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            A stunningly beautiful quote from Yann Martel, sent to me by a satellite engineer who loves the sky:

                            "If you’ve never been, the south of Saskatchewan is so flat the horizon is perceptibly round. Above you, during the day, lords an immense dome of sky so empty it feels like a fullness, with clouds the size of mountains, the sun but a small disk, and a depth of colour that is often chalk blue, oh so chalk blue.

                            ...

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                            #47

                            @sundogplanets When we moved to Vancouver the sky felt so small and coming back to prairies everything felt so very very big again.

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                              #48

                              I used to head up north to the top end every winter and get a dose of bush and sky. So much light from the stars, and all the different colours. Then you’d hear stories about Indigenous folks explaining why one star was a different colour to the others.

                              For thousands of years humans have read the sky at night in such amazing detail, and today we can barely even remember to look up.

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

                                Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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                                #49

                                @sundogplanets
                                Over my life, I've lived mostly in bigger cities/urban areas, AND I've been lucky enough to have spent time in areas far from the urban space.

                                The difference in the night sky is incredible. The darker the surroundings, the more magical that skyscape is.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163

                                  Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.

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                                  #50

                                  @sundogplanets

                                  Over 50 years ago, you could spot a satelllite in polar orbit.

                                  Otherwise, just stars. These days, you can not see all of the stars that were visible back then. Even if you are away from city lights.

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    "At night this reassuring curtain of blue is pulled away and you realize where you really are: at infinity’s doorstep. A plain is what a mountain aims to be: the closest you can come to being in outer space while yet having your feet on this planet."

                                    I really hope to get out to Grasslands Nat'l Park this week and appreciate infinity's doorstep, despite smoke and satellites trying to take that away.

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                                    #51

                                    @sundogplanets That's the one thing I really miss about my home state of Alaska, the night sky was just incredible! We're rural here in Florida, but there is still so much light pollution that pulling out my telescope just isn't the same anymore.

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                                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                      The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                                      You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                                      #52

                                      @sundogplanets We, the non-billionaires with our Stargazer Steve telescopes+ know. Billionaires know. They just don't give a damn.

                                      I was 4 yrs old when I saw the Morning Star (and was told it was Venus) through my 13 year-old cousin's handmade telescope. I fell in love faded decades and decades ago.

                                      I still have 2 pair of ancient binoculars I use to view Jupiter & some moons and Saturn & some moons. It's lovely and I'm on the edge of a city in PA.

                                      Still trying to enjoy it while I can.

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                                        You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                                        #53

                                        @sundogplanets I still remember the first time I was out of sight of land on a boat at night. Utterly mesmerising, laying on the deck, looking up

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                                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                          The world would be a much better place if everyone had easy access to infinity's doorstep, to realize how small we are, how unique and fragile our pale blue dot is.

                                          You don't need a trip on a billionaire's rocket to get the "overview effect." You can do it by finding dark sky access, which is becoming harder and harder to get, partially due to billionaires' rockets.

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                                          #54

                                          Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?

                                          For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).

                                          Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.

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