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  3. When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    @jitterted

    * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

    * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

    * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

    * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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    #169

    @futurebird @jitterted Being a football fan when I was a kid made 7 a very easy number for me to deal with.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

      That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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      #170

      @futurebird Six times seven is forty-two by association with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy; add fourteen to that.

      (My dad used to always point out when we watched the HHGTTG TV series on Betamax that multiplying six by nine does not, in fact, make forty-two, and that actually six times seven does.)

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

        That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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        #171

        @futurebird I thought it was 4.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

          That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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          #172

          @futurebird memorized long time ago in a different language, so 7x8 is instant but "seven times eight" requires extra translation.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

            That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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            #173

            @futurebird had to drill the multiplication table as a kid. Hated it, but as an adult it’s handy

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              @jitterted

              * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

              * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

              * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

              * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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              #174

              @jitterted@sfba.social @futurebird@sauropods.win

              7x8 no problem
              8x7 takes longer

              7x7 is always 49 so just add 7

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                #175

                @futurebird 7 * 8 ? This is how I do it i my head 😉

                0111
                1000
                ______ apply logical AND of each bit in multiplier to the multiplicand and shift results to match bit position in the multiplier.

                ---0000
                --0000.
                -0000..
                0111... (add all these 4)
                _________
                0111000 = 8 + 16 + 32 =56 !

                7 * 5 :
                0111
                0101
                ------
                ...0111
                ..0000.
                .0111..
                000...
                ---------
                010011 = 32 + 2 + 1 = 35 !

                (your question prompted search I had been meaning to do for long on how CPU multiply).

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                  That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                  #176

                  @futurebird At grade school we had to memorize multiplcation table up to 12. I assume kids these days just press the button and ask Siri 😞

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                    That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                    #177

                    @futurebird Computer science is largely just a sillier version of math in general, so I've memorized single digit addition and multiplication, as well as powers of 2 which are important to computers.
                    I have to manually carry for anything beyond a single digit, which slows me down.

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                    • madengineering@hachyderm.ioM madengineering@hachyderm.io

                      @futurebird Computer science is largely just a sillier version of math in general, so I've memorized single digit addition and multiplication, as well as powers of 2 which are important to computers.
                      I have to manually carry for anything beyond a single digit, which slows me down.

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                      #178

                      @futurebird My ex had this thing where, inspired by her father's love of dominoes, would see the numbers as domino pips, and she would quickly smash them together and they'd rearrange and she'd have the answer in half the time it would take me.
                      It wouldn't work on more complex operations like square roots though.

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        @jitterted

                        * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                        * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                        * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                        * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                        #179

                        @futurebird @jitterted also: no useful mnemonics for divisibility by 7

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                          That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                          #180

                          @futurebird I have the multiplication table memorized.
                          It's the addition table I never got down.
                          I think I was 50 before I finally trusted myself enough to add some numbers without counting up. Like, "3 has three points, count them, 1, 2, 3."

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            @jitterted

                            * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                            * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                            * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                            * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                            #181

                            @futurebird @jitterted And 7 has no easy pattern to learn. The easiest way to may be to flip it with the commutative property. You may not have 7 x 8 memorized, but you do know 8 x 7.
                            7 x 6 = 6 x 7
                            7 x 8 = 8 x 7
                            etc.

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                              That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                              #182

                              @futurebird when I was young, my eldest sister helped me drill on the tables. It was also the time Multiplication Rock came out on ABC, so I got that wired into my tiny mammal brain.

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                #183

                                @futurebird With this and nearly anything else that needs to be calculated, I use a calculator app. I eschew all math.

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                                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                  When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                  That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                  #184

                                  @futurebird was supposed to memorize the table in school but I didn't so I have to do the math, I'm terrible with memorizing things

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                                  • emma@orbital.horseE emma@orbital.horse

                                    @futurebird when I was young, my eldest sister helped me drill on the tables. It was also the time Multiplication Rock came out on ABC, so I got that wired into my tiny mammal brain.

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                                    #185

                                    @emma @futurebird

                                    So, the better question is which song do you use?

                                    ( I'm kidding, of course, I already know the answer )

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      @jitterted

                                      * because 7 is greater than 5 most of the time when you add it to a two digit number you must carry which is another opportunity to make an error.

                                      * it is not a multiple of 2 so you can't use counting by twos to help

                                      * 9 is easy and there are may tricks to remember the multiples of 9s

                                      * Therefore 7 is the most troublesome number.

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                                      #186

                                      @futurebird @jitterted Seems like just recently the most troublesome number is 4.

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                                      • damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.orgD damonwakes@mastodon.sdf.org

                                        @futurebird @jitterted Seems like just recently the most troublesome number is 4.

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                                        #187

                                        @DamonWakes @jitterted

                                        In some numerologies 4 is considered feminine while 5 is masculine. So, I always get a little salty when people hate on 4 because it seems vaguely sexist.

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                                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                          When you need to multiply 7*8 do you simply have it memorized, or do you need to add, subtract or otherwise connect it to another math fact that you know better?

                                          That is do you simply think "56" or are there more thoughts that lead to 56?

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                                          #188

                                          @futurebird I have dyscalculia and anything larger than 6x6 I can't do in my head so 7x6 could be 56, I dunno

                                          (aside to my middle school math teacher: I carry a calculator everywhere these days, now who's having the last laugh?!)

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