I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
@luckytran Our pediatrician has a sign close to the front desk: you don't have to vaccinated all your kids, just the ones you want to keep.
They also make unvaccinated sick kids wait outside - to protect everybody else. -
In 1950 global child mortality rate was 27%. Now it is as low as 0.3%.
@KanaMauna @luckytran 49%!? I knew it was bad in the past but I didn't know it was THAT bad
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
This graph is extremely sobering to look at:
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
The eugenicist oligarchs funding Project 2025, RFK Jr, & Trump want the gravestones of children. More for themselves.
Andrew Conru. Tim Mellon. Koch Network. Tech
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/03/r-word-right-wing-rise
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/eugenics-isnt-dead-its-thriving-in-tech/
https://www.wired.com/story/google-microsoft-perplexity-scientific-racism-search-results-ai/
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/pioneer-fund/
https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biopolitical-times/hipster-eugenics-better-babies-billionaires
https://www.ft.com/content/21bbd771-0fcd-4348-9647-52c86623c82c
https://archive.is/2Foso -
I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
@luckytran I remember when doctors asked me: So these are mandatory and these are optional with quite deep explanation and with my wife we need not more than second to answer, give him all you have in portfolio. So he is also vaccinated against meningococcal diseases, etc.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
@luckytran We are currently researching our ancestors. They used the first name David over generations. There were 6 Davids within 10 years. Married Family with a David and same last name: 1. Married David later: 1. These 6 Davids were 6 kids, 5 of them died early.
The grave stones are long gone. The church records are still there.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
Cause and effect of the social media by people that are uneducated and react based on emotions instead of facts...
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
I'm out of the 40's, had some of those diseases and was lucky. Had Friends that weren't so lucky. If people want their children healthy they will get them vaccinated, those who don't aren't paying attention. It's as simple as that. How many have had measles of late.
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@luckytran tbf you actually rarely see those graves
Not because babies didn't die, but because there either was no grave stone for them and∕or those graves were long removed.
This kinda doesn't work.@dat @luckytran Depends on where you live.
In french cemetery there's a lot of familial graves, and the babies are often a line on those.
When you see a grave with only a dead baby name on it, that's a dead baby with rich parents.
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@dat @luckytran Depends on where you live.
In french cemetery there's a lot of familial graves, and the babies are often a line on those.
When you see a grave with only a dead baby name on it, that's a dead baby with rich parents.
even in family graves a lot families didn’t even consider adding really young children there.
like died before age 3? not relevant!
why? because it was REALLY common.
If it survived the first few years? then it might survive into adulthood.
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even in family graves a lot families didn’t even consider adding really young children there.
like died before age 3? not relevant!
why? because it was REALLY common.
If it survived the first few years? then it might survive into adulthood.
@dat @luckytran I've seen a lot of babies under one in old cemeteries, but that may be local custom.
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
@luckytran I've seen those headstones at a cemetery here.
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
You have a point. But it doesn't lessen or invalidate the efficacy of vaccines in preventing deaths of children who survived infancy
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I’d rather have more vaccines than baby graves.
In 1880, roughly one ninth of all persons born in the USA died before age 1, one fifth before age 5.
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This graph is extremely sobering to look at:
Why the big difference between that graph (from the UN) and this page (from US Census data) for deaths below age 5 in 1880?
The death rates in the graph appear around 50% higher than the census population mortality table for 1880.
My recollection is that even the American Experience table from the 1840's (which probably had the mortality rates padded to slant the odds in favor of the insurance companies) showed only about 25% mortality before age 5 (although the juvenile extension part of the table may have been added later).
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Why the big difference between that graph (from the UN) and this page (from US Census data) for deaths below age 5 in 1880?
The death rates in the graph appear around 50% higher than the census population mortality table for 1880.
My recollection is that even the American Experience table from the 1840's (which probably had the mortality rates padded to slant the odds in favor of the insurance companies) showed only about 25% mortality before age 5 (although the juvenile extension part of the table may have been added later).
Not sure, I tried to dig into the data for the UN one but the site was not mobile friendly and then I forgot to look it up again by the time I was at a computer
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
All the things you mentioned contributed, but
"Vaccination is among the most effective public health interventions in human history."
https://www.spandidos-publications.com/10.3892/wasj.2026.478
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@KanaMauna @luckytran 49%!? I knew it was bad in the past but I didn't know it was THAT bad
@Selvari21106 @KanaMauna @luckytran that's why you had like ten of them... And some cultures didn't give people names until they were 100 days old.
No, seriously - we seriously underestimate how much grief and pain that meant. Not to mention women dying in labor.
I hate people who don't vaccinate their kids.
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I'm all for vaccinating kids when the evidence for efficacity is so clear - but I believe the biggest contributions to the decline in infant mortality have come from public health works - especially clean piped water and public sewers - or state-regulated septic tanks - district nurses, etc, etc... state infrastructure taking care of its people.
@GeofCox @luckytran Those are all great of course - but if we had all of those and not vaccines, then MORE children than before would die of things like diptheria, because they'd be around to catch them, rather than dying even younger of cholera or malnutrition.
