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Something I often thought about when I was poor is how expensive it is to be poor.

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  • mikejackmin@liberdon.comM mikejackmin@liberdon.com

    @malte

    it might be me. usually it's me

    just to clarify, im not saying it's fair, and i'm not even saying it will work, it's just a way to understand how the idea of investment applies to your personal life

    imagine you were stranded on a deserted island. you have limited energy, and the clock is ticking

    find water first, then make shelter, then find food, then do the next thing, and the next, each step making yourself safer. its just how to survive

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    @malte

    somebody comes by and sees you drinking water out of a stream with your hands. you need a cup! you're wasting energy and time

    no, im investing my energy in more important things. ill make a cup when it becomes the most important thing. right now, using my hands is smart

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    • mikejackmin@liberdon.comM mikejackmin@liberdon.com

      @malte

      somebody comes by and sees you drinking water out of a stream with your hands. you need a cup! you're wasting energy and time

      no, im investing my energy in more important things. ill make a cup when it becomes the most important thing. right now, using my hands is smart

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      @malte

      its not the boots, its not the cup

      do the most productive thing first

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      • mikejackmin@liberdon.comM mikejackmin@liberdon.com

        @malte

        its not the boots, its not the cup

        do the most productive thing first

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        @mikejackmin Since you're speaking in the imperative, you're message comes across as advice. You're writing to me, after all. At the same time there's little indication that you've listened to my story. Hence why it seems a bit nonsensical. I'm close to repeating myself, so if I get a new round of free association, I'll not respond to it, but put some music to it and imagine it's economic religion turned into a performance piece.

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        • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

          Looking back on the footwear I've had over the years, I've had lots of bad quality, but I'm happy that I've taken pretty good care of my shoes and boots regardless. Most have stayed with me for years before breaking apart, some are still with me since 2013 and 2016. Not having money can teach you frugality, and I will take that with me. Now that I have enough money to buy good quality footwear, I want to have shit that will last for decades, can be resoled etc.

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          @malte Where will you buy lasting footwear in Copenhagen to day?

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          • siggi@radikal.socialS siggi@radikal.social

            @malte Where will you buy lasting footwear in Copenhagen to day?

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            @siggi I've had good experiences in shops that deal in traditional work wear like Brund and Motorious. You can get quality leather footwear with properly stitched soles plus advice to take good care of your shoes or boots. Some of their customers obsess about the aesthetics of long-worn footwear or denim which can seem a bit, well, obsessive or just silly. But I have some sympathy. It's probably thanks to "denim heads" & other fanatics that the rest of us can still get lasting clothes.

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            • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

              The wider morale of this story is of course that the unfairness in Boots theory is also why we will continue to be doomed as far as the ecological crisis goes unless we turn the economic order upside-down. We're all paying the price for fast fashion and all the other bad ecological decisions being made today, because people can't afford to make the right ones. This is the ultimate injustice and a strong reason for climate justice to be center of the agenda.

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              Speaking of durable clothing, I was happy to explore knitwear brand Andersen-Andersen's store today. Read an interview with co-founder Cathrine Lundgren-Andersen. Consider how rare it is to hear a CEO of a clothing company say something like this: “The collection is actually complete now. That's a pretty wild thing to say in this world, where everything has to be renewed all the time. We don't have to do that ... we don't need to make any new models." https://heartbeats.dk/hun-ville-lave-verdens-bedste-soemandstroeje-nu-er-det-danske-toejmaerke-andersen-andersen-komplet (article in Danish)

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                Speaking of durable clothing, I was happy to explore knitwear brand Andersen-Andersen's store today. Read an interview with co-founder Cathrine Lundgren-Andersen. Consider how rare it is to hear a CEO of a clothing company say something like this: “The collection is actually complete now. That's a pretty wild thing to say in this world, where everything has to be renewed all the time. We don't have to do that ... we don't need to make any new models." https://heartbeats.dk/hun-ville-lave-verdens-bedste-soemandstroeje-nu-er-det-danske-toejmaerke-andersen-andersen-komplet (article in Danish)

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                Some researchers are now describing Japan as a "low desire society", because people increasingly don't want things. If the Japanese developments in declining birthrates have taught us something, it is that they might be a few years ahead of the overdeveloped world. There's a sense of saturation and depression with the wasteful constant growth paradigm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koow0Q6EiXU

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                • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                  @siggi I've had good experiences in shops that deal in traditional work wear like Brund and Motorious. You can get quality leather footwear with properly stitched soles plus advice to take good care of your shoes or boots. Some of their customers obsess about the aesthetics of long-worn footwear or denim which can seem a bit, well, obsessive or just silly. But I have some sympathy. It's probably thanks to "denim heads" & other fanatics that the rest of us can still get lasting clothes.

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                  @malte thanks. Will tjeck the shops out. What kind of shoes do you use in to make garden work in?

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                    @malte thanks. Will tjeck the shops out. What kind of shoes do you use in to make garden work in?

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                    @siggi I've used different types of Chelsea boots made for work over the years - variously called "Australian work boot" or Dealer boots. I like that they're slip-on (with goring instead of laces) and pull tabs, to go in and out of the house. The problem is that most of them have glued on soles, which makes them cheaper to make, but difficult to resole. I'm trying to resole a pair for the second time now and the cobbler couldn't guarantee that he could repair them.

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                      @siggi I've used different types of Chelsea boots made for work over the years - variously called "Australian work boot" or Dealer boots. I like that they're slip-on (with goring instead of laces) and pull tabs, to go in and out of the house. The problem is that most of them have glued on soles, which makes them cheaper to make, but difficult to resole. I'm trying to resole a pair for the second time now and the cobbler couldn't guarantee that he could repair them.

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                      @siggi I wanted to get boots with stitched or welted sole, that could more easily be repaired later. I decided laces are OK, because the gardening work I do now is often many hours in a row without me needing to get boots on and off. I wanted flat soles (wedge soles) without too much pattern, because they tend to get really heavy when mud builds up. I also didn't want to buy online, so I ended up getting one of Red Wings Moc Toes, because they ticked all the boxes.

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                      • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                        @siggi I wanted to get boots with stitched or welted sole, that could more easily be repaired later. I decided laces are OK, because the gardening work I do now is often many hours in a row without me needing to get boots on and off. I wanted flat soles (wedge soles) without too much pattern, because they tend to get really heavy when mud builds up. I also didn't want to buy online, so I ended up getting one of Red Wings Moc Toes, because they ticked all the boxes.

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                        @siggi For people that garden more casually, I think Chelsea work boots are still a great option, because you can slip them on easily and go garden for half an hour or even lots of hours (most of my colleagues use this style of boot). Just make sure to get a boot that has a welted, not glued sole. If I were to get a pair today, I would probably go look for a store - perhaps even make a small trip to get to one - and try the ones made by French producer Gatine https://chaussuresdegatine.fr/produit/rungis/

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                        • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                          @siggi For people that garden more casually, I think Chelsea work boots are still a great option, because you can slip them on easily and go garden for half an hour or even lots of hours (most of my colleagues use this style of boot). Just make sure to get a boot that has a welted, not glued sole. If I were to get a pair today, I would probably go look for a store - perhaps even make a small trip to get to one - and try the ones made by French producer Gatine https://chaussuresdegatine.fr/produit/rungis/

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                          @siggi Some other brands I've noted down from further away: Jim Green Stockmans (from SA) https://jimgreenfootwear.com/store/stockman-f3b

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                            @siggi I've used different types of Chelsea boots made for work over the years - variously called "Australian work boot" or Dealer boots. I like that they're slip-on (with goring instead of laces) and pull tabs, to go in and out of the house. The problem is that most of them have glued on soles, which makes them cheaper to make, but difficult to resole. I'm trying to resole a pair for the second time now and the cobbler couldn't guarantee that he could repair them.

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                            @malte ahh, yes. In my previous work I had one of those with a steal nose as my work shoes. Will try to finds some with stiched soles.

                            Thanks for great advise!

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                              @siggi Some other brands I've noted down from further away: Jim Green Stockmans (from SA) https://jimgreenfootwear.com/store/stockman-f3b

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                              @siggi Georgia Giant Wedge Romeo Work Shoe
                              (shoes not boots but same principles as a Chelsea boot) https://georgiaboot.com/products/GR274.html?variant=50657902002497

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                              • malte@radikal.socialM malte@radikal.social

                                @siggi For people that garden more casually, I think Chelsea work boots are still a great option, because you can slip them on easily and go garden for half an hour or even lots of hours (most of my colleagues use this style of boot). Just make sure to get a boot that has a welted, not glued sole. If I were to get a pair today, I would probably go look for a store - perhaps even make a small trip to get to one - and try the ones made by French producer Gatine https://chaussuresdegatine.fr/produit/rungis/

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                                @siggi The "problem" with wanting to try anything by Gatine is I have to travel to France hehe 😄

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