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  • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

    Remember, kids:

    In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

    It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

    This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

    #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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    #8

    @juergen_hubert

    Sorry to be a pedant, a Law is the hardest it gets. You can't fuck around with the Laws of Gravity.
    Theories come and go and many are a work in progress: some withstand the test of experiment and observation better than others as the theory gets better and better at explaining all the facets of a phenomenon. However, as far as lay people are concerned, science as a constantly moving feast goes against the absolutism promoted by many non-scientists to justify the shit they come out with.

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    • uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.zaU uastronomer@mastodon.monoceros.co.za

      @juergen_hubert A thought occurs: Older theories are often referred to as laws. Newton's laws of motion. The laws of thermodynamics. Presumably a relic from older and more confident ways of thinking about truth, but the problem is that we *still* call them laws.

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      #9

      @uastronomer @juergen_hubert

      No Allen, the laws of thermodynamics, motion etc are mathematically describable. That's what makes them Laws. This is not a problem: the mathematical relationship is always that. There is no conjecture.

      Note that the word Law is applied to really fundamental things like gravity, motion etc.

      Hooke's Law - describes the behaviour of a spring under load. It never changes and applies to all springs, with the proviso that the elastic constant will depend on the material. But that's experimentally verificable.

      Many of these physical Laws (and chemical Laws) were elaborated in the 17th-19th Century. It wasn't a case of more confidence (think about their instruments compared to our), it was a case of observation-measurement over many cases.

      In contrast, only certain aspects of evolution are mathematically certain, the difference being that evolution refers to complex systems whereas a spring is a spring.

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      • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

        Remember, kids:

        In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

        It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

        This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

        #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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        #10

        @juergen_hubert All hail science!

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        • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

          Remember, kids:

          In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

          It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

          This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

          #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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          #11

          @juergen_hubert
          Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
          It was a theory until last century.

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          • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

            Remember, kids:

            In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

            It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

            This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

            #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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            #12

            @juergen_hubert not sure we're going to be able to fix the colloquial fubar of this one.

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            • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

              @juergen_hubert
              Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
              It was a theory until last century.

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              #13

              @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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              • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                Remember, kids:

                In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                #14

                @juergen_hubert Probably too many syllables in that ten dollar word you got there, "theory" works the same don't it? /s

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                • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                  @juergen_hubert
                  Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                  It was a theory until last century.

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                  #15

                  @swoonie @juergen_hubert Yeh, this is the one example given in the OP that I wouldn't apply the word 'theory' to. It was conjecture at one time, maybe a hypothesis at some point, but it is a fact that global warming is happening, not a theory.

                  There are theories I've heard that it is something to do with burning fossil fuels...

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                  • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                    Remember, kids:

                    In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                    It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                    This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                    #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                    #16

                    @juergen_hubert
                    Yes, but then we have things like terrain theory which...eesh.

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                    • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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                      #17

                      @lritter @juergen_hubert
                      It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                      We know this for sure. Period.

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                      • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                        @juergen_hubert
                        Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
                        It was a theory until last century.

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                        #18

                        @swoonie

                        the science is settled (tm)

                        @juergen_hubert

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                        • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                          @lritter @juergen_hubert
                          It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                          We know this for sure. Period.

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                          #19

                          @swoonie @lritter

                          And that's what makes it a scientific theory.

                          The "facts" are the observations. The "theory" is the tested explanation for those observations.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

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                          • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                            @lritter @juergen_hubert
                            It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
                            We know this for sure. Period.

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                            #20

                            @swoonie @juergen_hubert

                            > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

                            fixed that for you.

                            to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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                            • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @swoonie @juergen_hubert

                              > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

                              fixed that for you.

                              to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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                              #21

                              @lritter @juergen_hubert
                              If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                              Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                              • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                                @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                                Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                                #22

                                @swoonie @juergen_hubert tomorrow it's going to hit a word that matters to you professionally, as punishment for what you just said.

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                                • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @swoonie @juergen_hubert tomorrow it's going to hit a word that matters to you professionally, as punishment for what you just said.

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                                  #23

                                  @lritter @juergen_hubert
                                  Gotta get on with my day now, buddy.
                                  Have a good one!

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                                  • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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                                    #24

                                    @lritter

                                    You can't observe a theory.

                                    What we observe is facts.

                                    The explanation we tack onto it is a theory.

                                    Most of evolution is the facts. We can literally see evolution happening.
                                    Those facts are not a theory, they're the bar any theory has to get over.

                                    Climate change, likewise, is observable fact. And any theory of climate will have to incorporate those facts and explain them.

                                    Does that clear it up?

                                    @swoonie @juergen_hubert

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                                    • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                                      @lritter

                                      You can't observe a theory.

                                      What we observe is facts.

                                      The explanation we tack onto it is a theory.

                                      Most of evolution is the facts. We can literally see evolution happening.
                                      Those facts are not a theory, they're the bar any theory has to get over.

                                      Climate change, likewise, is observable fact. And any theory of climate will have to incorporate those facts and explain them.

                                      Does that clear it up?

                                      @swoonie @juergen_hubert

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                                      #25

                                      @androcat @swoonie @juergen_hubert in your words, what is the difference between hypothesis and theory?

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                                      • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                                        Remember, kids:

                                        In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                                        It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                                        This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                                        #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                                        #26

                                        @juergen_hubert Good reminder! One thing I'm missing from your description: Can you have competing scientific theories in your definition? I'm reminded of Kuhn's concept of paradigms which entails that there is always some conflicting evidence that any paradigm tends to dismiss (as noise, mistakes etc). Paradigms tend to shift when the conflicting evidence becomes overwhelming and a new theory manages to account for those previous exceptions.

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