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  • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

    @juergen_hubert
    Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
    It was a theory until last century.

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    #15

    @swoonie @juergen_hubert Yeh, this is the one example given in the OP that I wouldn't apply the word 'theory' to. It was conjecture at one time, maybe a hypothesis at some point, but it is a fact that global warming is happening, not a theory.

    There are theories I've heard that it is something to do with burning fossil fuels...

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    • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

      Remember, kids:

      In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

      It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

      This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

      #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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      #16

      @juergen_hubert
      Yes, but then we have things like terrain theory which...eesh.

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      • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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        #17

        @lritter @juergen_hubert
        It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
        We know this for sure. Period.

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        • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

          @juergen_hubert
          Climate scientist here. Global warming (or global heating rather) is an established fact by now.
          It was a theory until last century.

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          #18

          @swoonie

          the science is settled (tm)

          @juergen_hubert

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          • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

            @lritter @juergen_hubert
            It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
            We know this for sure. Period.

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            #19

            @swoonie @lritter

            And that's what makes it a scientific theory.

            The "facts" are the observations. The "theory" is the tested explanation for those observations.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

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            • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

              @lritter @juergen_hubert
              It is *not* a theory. Climate science has worked intensely the past forty years, based on theory that was first formulated in the 19th century, that the observed global heating is caused mainly by the emissions from burning fossil fuels.
              We know this for sure. Period.

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              #20

              @swoonie @juergen_hubert

              > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

              fixed that for you.

              to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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              • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @swoonie @juergen_hubert

                > based on *a hypothesis* that was first formulated in the 19th century

                fixed that for you.

                to be even clearer this time: you use the word "theory" wrong, like many people and politicians do.

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                #21

                @lritter @juergen_hubert
                If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                • swoonie@mastodon.ieS swoonie@mastodon.ie

                  @lritter @juergen_hubert
                  If your use of the word “theory” confuses everyone, then it is a confusing use of this word and should be avoided.

                  Even if You Know You Are Right™.

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                  #22

                  @swoonie @juergen_hubert tomorrow it's going to hit a word that matters to you professionally, as punishment for what you just said.

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                  • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @swoonie @juergen_hubert tomorrow it's going to hit a word that matters to you professionally, as punishment for what you just said.

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                    #23

                    @lritter @juergen_hubert
                    Gotta get on with my day now, buddy.
                    Have a good one!

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                    • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @swoonie @juergen_hubert it was a *hypothesis*, now it is theory. that is exactly jürgen's point.

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                      #24

                      @lritter

                      You can't observe a theory.

                      What we observe is facts.

                      The explanation we tack onto it is a theory.

                      Most of evolution is the facts. We can literally see evolution happening.
                      Those facts are not a theory, they're the bar any theory has to get over.

                      Climate change, likewise, is observable fact. And any theory of climate will have to incorporate those facts and explain them.

                      Does that clear it up?

                      @swoonie @juergen_hubert

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                      • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                        @lritter

                        You can't observe a theory.

                        What we observe is facts.

                        The explanation we tack onto it is a theory.

                        Most of evolution is the facts. We can literally see evolution happening.
                        Those facts are not a theory, they're the bar any theory has to get over.

                        Climate change, likewise, is observable fact. And any theory of climate will have to incorporate those facts and explain them.

                        Does that clear it up?

                        @swoonie @juergen_hubert

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                        #25

                        @androcat @swoonie @juergen_hubert in your words, what is the difference between hypothesis and theory?

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                        • juergen_hubert@mementomori.socialJ juergen_hubert@mementomori.social

                          Remember, kids:

                          In proper scientific terms, an attempt to explain observable phenomena is called a "hypothesis".

                          It is called a "theory" when it fits all the observable facts, and there is no observable evidence to the contrary. We don't call it a "truth" because there's always a chance that it might be overturned by later evidence - but as far as science is concerned, a "theory" is as hard as it gets.

                          This is often confusing to people who dismiss science they don't like as "it's just a theory". But this distinction should be kept in mind when discussing things like the "Theory of Evolution", "Theory of Relativity", "Global Warming Theory", and "Dead Internet Theory".

                          #PSA #Evolution #GlobalWarming #DeadInternetTheory #Science #Theory

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                          #26

                          @juergen_hubert Good reminder! One thing I'm missing from your description: Can you have competing scientific theories in your definition? I'm reminded of Kuhn's concept of paradigms which entails that there is always some conflicting evidence that any paradigm tends to dismiss (as noise, mistakes etc). Paradigms tend to shift when the conflicting evidence becomes overwhelming and a new theory manages to account for those previous exceptions.

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