In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s.
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
@gerrymcgovern
No problem, who needs the grid, anyway? Let‘s just directly power the datacenters of our AI-overlords by using local generators gussling up tons and tons of fossile fuels! What could be the harm? -
In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
Am I right in thinking that Japan’s energy usage figure also includes all of their data centres?
Also all the energy their massive ship building industry uses?
And the rest of the energy the world’s 5th largest economy (1 place ahead of Germany) uses?
Just trying to put it into context.
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Am I right in thinking that Japan’s energy usage figure also includes all of their data centres?
Also all the energy their massive ship building industry uses?
And the rest of the energy the world’s 5th largest economy (1 place ahead of Germany) uses?
Just trying to put it into context.
@svavar I would presume so, but can't be certain
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
@gerrymcgovern wait so datacenters use 80% of dublin's grid??
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@gerrymcgovern
No problem, who needs the grid, anyway? Let‘s just directly power the datacenters of our AI-overlords by using local generators gussling up tons and tons of fossile fuels! What could be the harm?@goulien
there's always the Matrix solution. -
@gerrymcgovern wait so datacenters use 80% of dublin's grid??
@xyhhx Shocking, hah. And the Irish government is super eager to build more data centers. Real Growth Death Cult stuff.
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@xyhhx Shocking, hah. And the Irish government is super eager to build more data centers. Real Growth Death Cult stuff.
@gerrymcgovern yeah we're fucked
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@goulien
there's always the Matrix solution.@MrSussexGardener
Yes thats an option!
Interesting fact: in the Matrix-comic (which the movie is based on), the machines aren‘t harvesting the humans for power but for the processing capacity of their brains! So, they use the humans just like GPUs are used in a datacenter. -
@xyhhx Shocking, hah. And the Irish government is super eager to build more data centers. Real Growth Death Cult stuff.
@gerrymcgovern @xyhhx who supplies most of Ireland's tax footprint? last I checked they couldn't publish figures anymore bc of how much non-domestic corps brought
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Am I right in thinking that Japan’s energy usage figure also includes all of their data centres?
Also all the energy their massive ship building industry uses?
And the rest of the energy the world’s 5th largest economy (1 place ahead of Germany) uses?
Just trying to put it into context.
Yes that does include all the electricity used in data centres, rail traffic, factories, shipyards, etc.
If I am not mistaken, Japan used 858.6TWh of electricity in 2024.
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
What the hell is Europe even doing? They have an energy crisis.
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
@gerrymcgovern all this for "efficiency" when it's far more efficient for the planet if humans just do their own shit for themselves and live within their means.
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What the hell is Europe even doing? They have an energy crisis.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell Europe must keep up in the AI race in the Growth Death Cult to try and cross the line to the apocalypse first, or at least joint-second
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@gerrymcgovern all this for "efficiency" when it's far more efficient for the planet if humans just do their own shit for themselves and live within their means.
@cmthiede Us exceptional humans can't be living within our means, can we?
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell Europe must keep up in the AI race in the Growth Death Cult to try and cross the line to the apocalypse first, or at least joint-second
You know how rich people always say we can’t afford primary education or healthcare other nonsense. It’s more of a disease of America, but people should just look at the billionaires and tech and say, “Wait! We just can’t afford you guys. Sorry we can’t find the funds. We need to feed people.”
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Yes that does include all the electricity used in data centres, rail traffic, factories, shipyards, etc.
If I am not mistaken, Japan used 858.6TWh of electricity in 2024.
Saying it that way really puts the madness into perspective.
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@cmthiede Us exceptional humans can't be living within our means, can we?
@gerrymcgovern of course not, wouldn't be the top of the food chain then.
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In Frankfurt, Germany, the grid is currently so saturated that no new connections will be available until at least the 2030s. There, data centers consume about 41% of the city's electricity. In Dublin, it's double that.
And data center electricity consumption is growing rapidly — it's expected to double by 2030 to about 945 terawatt-hours, around what Japan consumes annually, according to the International Energy Agency.
https://www.dw.com/en/are-data-centers-really-bad-for-the-planet/a-78789889
@gerrymcgovern Yes.
Next obvious question.
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