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The #Pope has published his first encyclical

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  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

    @paulk

    yeah but catching up to what

    just the idea of religion and AI in the same thought process gives me the heebie jeebies

    i just don't think we're ready for this commingling

    the USA didn't even survive social media

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    #24

    «i just don't think we're ready for this commingling»

    At first glance I read the last word as "coming"...

    @benroyce @paulk

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    • vnikolov@ieji.deV vnikolov@ieji.de

      «i just don't think we're ready for this commingling»

      At first glance I read the last word as "coming"...

      @benroyce @paulk

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      #25

      @vnikolov @paulk

      well that's the sex robots

      that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar

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      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

        @vnikolov @paulk

        well that's the sex robots

        that's another problem coming (pun intended) as people devolve and lose the ability to competently socially interact with anything except AI, certainly not their romantic interest. heck, the very notion of "romantic interest" might devolve from another human being to some LLM avatar

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        #26

        Right.

        Never mind that the very phrase "romantic interest" is merely a technical term from movie screenwriting cookbooks...
        (I'm sure those are being LLMized as well.)

        Let's hope we'll live to see what happens.
        I don't think it's cut and dried.

        @benroyce @paulk

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        • vnikolov@ieji.deV vnikolov@ieji.de

          Right.

          Never mind that the very phrase "romantic interest" is merely a technical term from movie screenwriting cookbooks...
          (I'm sure those are being LLMized as well.)

          Let's hope we'll live to see what happens.
          I don't think it's cut and dried.

          @benroyce @paulk

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          @vnikolov @paulk

          "extinct human! cut and dried, with chili mole! get 'em while they're still in stock!"

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          • peterwyrm@bne.socialP peterwyrm@bne.social

            @benroyce @paulk It’s not just you. The Wikipedia article about the encyclical says “David Streitfeld, writing for The New York Times, analyzed the text as representing the contrast between traditional religions and a growing tendency in Silicon Valley to speak of artificial intelligence in quasi-religious tones.”

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            #28

            @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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            • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

              @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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              #29

              @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

              the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

              if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

              fuck

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

                if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

                fuck

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                #30

                @benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.

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                • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

                  @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk I do not know, of course, what the pope wanted to say or what is in his mind. However, I certainly agree with the feeling that people behave towards AI/ML/NN/BS as a cult, and maybe, yes, as a religion. And the scariest part, for me, is that many colleagues, who, as scholars, should have a good amount of critical thinking ability, do the same all the time. I could give numerous first-hand examples about this, but it may get too specific. I will limit myself to saying that, in one case I found particularly shocking, an assistant professor literally told me that it doesn't matter that his method cannot explain what is happening in a certain system, because it is machine learning and therefore the final result will be correct. Even if we will be unable to say what it is, what has happened, how it happened, and what it means. I am *scared* of the cult that has been created around this shit, and I mean it.

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                  #31

                  @paraw @peterwyrm @benroyce @paulk https://burdentennis.com

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                  • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                    @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                    the biggest problem with that, besides the "machine learning says it, so i believe it" cult like aspect, is that these are supposedly intelligent people surrendering their faculties. depending upon LLM to do their "thinking" for them

                    if the supposedly most vaunted professions are going braindead, abandoning their judgment and critical thinking skills and devolving cognitively, what of the rest of humanity?

                    fuck

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                    #32

                    @benroyce @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk Please read and comment on https://burdentennis.com/

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                    • paraw@mathstodon.xyzP paraw@mathstodon.xyz

                      @benroyce @peterwyrm @paulk exactly my point. It gives me some sort of existential dread.

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                      #33

                      @paraw @peterwyrm @paulk

                      this notion of a future dystopia of humanity devolved into simple minds, after we handed all cognitive effort to some sort of AI overlord, is weirdly comforting

                      it's a nice coda to humanity

                      we struggled, reached great heights (and great lows), then we were benevolently retired to caretakers we created

                      free of thought, the root of our graces and our sins, our suffering over

                      however

                      we both know it will really be an eloi/ morlock bifurcation from "the time machine"

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