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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

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  • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

    @drahardja Regurgitate is an animal bodily function. AI doesn’t have a body. I think what I’m getting at is that there aren’t many appropriate words to describe how it works.

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    #23

    @david I also like the word “extrude”

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    • robin_wren@mastoart.socialR robin_wren@mastoart.social

      @drahardja While I agree with the premise, I do want to point out that we, humans, have a tendency to anthropomorphize anything.
      I'll apologize to a potted plant if I knock it off the window sill...

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      #24

      @robin_wren @drahardja
      Yeah, but don’t anthropomorphize computer programs. They hate that!

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      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

        Remember: the robot is not a person.

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        #25

        @drahardja

        But it helps me to do one day of my work in one hour!

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        • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

          I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

          AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
          AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
          AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
          AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
          AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

          Remember: the robot is not a person.

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          #26

          @drahardja That is the correct way to describe GenAI: nothing more than context and probability

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          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

            I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

            AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
            AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
            AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
            AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
            AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

            Remember: the robot is not a person.

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            #27

            @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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            • thad@brontosin.spaceT thad@brontosin.space

              @drahardja Not to disagree with your point, but it's interesting to me how anthropomorphizing cognitive functions (answer, hallucinate, etc.) trips people up but anthropomorphizing biological ones (like regurgitate) doesn't.

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              #28

              @Thad I think “regurgitate” is not something humans regularly do (because we’re not ruminants!), but the more I think about it maybe the word “extrude” would be better.

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              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                #29

                @drahardja

                💯

                The most resonate description for me is by Dr Emily Bender who compares it to a Magic Eight Ball, a 64 bit Magic Eight Ball.

                I remain shocked at how easily, relatively "smart" people embrace AI as a cure-all. How CEOs become cheerleaders to subordinates of an unproven robot to "extrude" managerial "decisions" without question.

                Crazy.

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                • lehtimaeki@snapp.socialL lehtimaeki@snapp.social

                  @drahardja
                  Also, using "AI" for LLMs is misleading. There's no I.

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                  #30

                  @lehtimaeki @drahardja There's no A either.

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                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                    I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                    AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                    AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                    AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                    AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                    AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                    Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                    #31

                    @drahardja The worst thing I have heard was a statement "you know who can dothis very well? Copilot!"

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                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                      I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                      AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                      AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                      AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                      AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                      AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                      Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                      #32

                      @drahardja it’s a magic 8 ball that tells you what you want to hear.

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                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                        Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                        #33

                        @drahardja
                        AI is not trained.

                        The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                        @harold

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                        • yala@degrowth.socialY yala@degrowth.social

                          @drahardja
                          AI is not trained.

                          The preproduction of the model is also included in the anthropomorphisation. Next they will be speaking of giving birth to new models.

                          @harold

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                          #34

                          @yala @harold What’s a better term?

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                          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                            I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                            AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                            AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                            AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                            AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                            AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                            Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                            #35

                            @drahardja
                            Replace the word "AI" with "human" in that statement and it would still be true.

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              @yala @harold What’s a better term?

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                              #36

                              @drahardja
                              assimilated ? categorized ? grouped ? patterned ?

                              @yala @harold

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                #37

                                @drahardja we describe various phenomena using human words and attributes because we are human

                                (And computers were thinking at least since someone implemented an hourglass icon in them)

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                                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                  I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                  AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                  AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                  AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                  AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                  AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                  Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                  #38

                                  @drahardja

                                  There's also the option of adding quotes around "AI", as a way to indicate "so-called, not what it actually is".

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                    AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                    AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                    AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                    AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                    AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                    Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                    #39

                                    @drahardja +1000

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                                    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                      I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                      AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                      AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                      AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                      AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                      AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                      Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                      #40

                                      @drahardja
                                      I think bullshit machine is adequate.
                                      Maybe not exactly nice towards the bull and shit in general. At least it's not a human condition (usually).

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                                      • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                        I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.

                                        AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
                                        AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
                                        AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
                                        AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
                                        AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.

                                        Remember: the robot is not a person.

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                                        #41

                                        @drahardja Given how less smart humans produce answers, we'd rather hope not to know with these details how their model works…

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                                        • gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.luG gunstick@mastodon.opencloud.lu

                                          @drahardja
                                          I think bullshit machine is adequate.
                                          Maybe not exactly nice towards the bull and shit in general. At least it's not a human condition (usually).

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                                          #42

                                          @gunstick @drahardja Bullshit machines would produce bullshit no matter what kind of input you give. The Autocompletion Parrot doesn't. If you manage to guide it to autocomplete a good conversation starter, you can somewhat get something not too far from what you could have written yourself.

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