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  • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

    I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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    #60

    @kamstrup e-ll-ing a folders content

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      @annehargreaves @kamstrup Yes, but adduser and useradd came from different parallel universe dialects of unix, it's just that we live in a multiverse that supports crossovers and team-ups

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      #61

      @cstross The masterpiece of that convergence is "ps", where options include both "f" and "-f", with different meanings

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      • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

        I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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        #62

        @kamstrup
        Like people remember where they were on 9/11, I remember vividly my first "shutdown -h now" on some BSD variant I just installed some 25 years ago.

        My first non Microsoft install. Felt like magic.

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        • datn@xoxo.zoneD datn@xoxo.zone

          @kamstrup so often I found myself wishing to print my regular expressions globally but lacked a pithy and intuitive command. then came --

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          #63

          @datn @kamstrup
          I did some research and learned that the double dash delimiter functions as an options terminator. The usage examples I found was e.g. deleting files starting with `-`:
          `rm -- -r`

          Could you show an example how the double dash delimiter can improve usage of regex?

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          • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

            I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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            #64

            @kamstrup or fsck when you need to fsck

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            • angusm@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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              #65

              @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

              Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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              • licho@kolektiva.socialL licho@kolektiva.social

                @kamstrup and cat if you need a cat

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                #66

                @licho @kamstrup I thought 'cat' was the command that led to the Internet being MADE OF CATS🤣

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                • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                  I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                  #67

                  @kamstrup Let alone git and gimp.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    @annehargreaves @kamstrup Yes, but adduser and useradd came from different parallel universe dialects of unix, it's just that we live in a multiverse that supports crossovers and team-ups

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                    #68

                    @cstross @kamstrup Ah, OK. TIL

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                    • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                      I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                      #69

                      @kamstrup
                      ‘cat’, however, seems not to do what the name implies—which is, indeed, very on brand.

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                      • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                        I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                        #70

                        @kamstrup you chown’d that one.

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                        • xabean@infosec.exchangeX xabean@infosec.exchange

                          @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup also man crontab v.s. man 5 crontab v.s. man 8 crontab "of COURSE 8 means programs and 5 means config"

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                          #71

                          @xabean @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup old enough to remember system V where you knew which part of man you wanted for system calls, library functions or command line programs

                          But they were also more gentle times when people were actually paid to write useful documentation and the man pages were actually helpful

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                          • dsw@mastodontech.deD dsw@mastodontech.de

                            @kamstrup
                            Actually, you can also use them to tell a short story like:
                            unzip | strip | touch | finger | grep | mount | fsck | unmount | sleep

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                            #72

                            @dsw Except it's “umount” because the mental energy required to remember to leave out the “n” is less than the physical energy required to press just press the damn key, especially on an ASR33. /s

                            (Actually, last time I made a comment about this I was told that the reason was that very very early Unixes limited command lengths to 6 characters. There are two interpretations of the word “backward” in the phrase “backward compatibility”.)

                            @kamstrup

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                            • brouhaha@mastodon.socialB brouhaha@mastodon.social

                              @kamstrup
                              Yep! You can't grep dead trees.

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                              #73

                              @brouhaha @kamstrup On the other hand, everything burns, but paper doesn’t crash

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                              • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                                I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                                #74

                                @kamstrup and for non-English speakers ? 😩

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                                • angusm@mastodon.socialA angusm@mastodon.social

                                  @jay @cstross @annehargreaves @kamstrup The best `man` pages are written to be so opaque that the only people who can understand the `man` page are people who don't need the `man` page because they know it all already.

                                  Or possibly because they wrote the `man` page themselves.

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                                  #75

                                  @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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                                  • annehargreaves@ioc.exchangeA annehargreaves@ioc.exchange

                                    @kamstrup or there are 2 where the name mirrors each-other like adduser useradd just for lols

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                                    #76

                                    @annehargreaves @kamstrup I really like the naming of the cat/tac pair.

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                                    • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                                      I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                                      #77

                                      @kamstrup Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(Unix)

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup I used to write (and maintain) man pages for a living. What does that make *me*?

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                                        #78

                                        @cstross @angusm @jay @annehargreaves @kamstrup
                                        A survivor.
                                        Rule 1, Charlie, Rule 1.

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                                        • kamstrup@fosstodon.orgK kamstrup@fosstodon.org

                                          I love how the Unix commands have such intuitive naming. Like 'find' if you need to find a file, or 'grep' if you need to grep for a string

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                                          #79

                                          @kamstrup "man" if you need something explained at you

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