The Minions of Avian Intelligence
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Stem@framapiaf.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Maybe that bias isn’t important, but you have to prove it, while you’re assuming it don’t have any importance until proven false, which is a really bad way to do statistics…
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"If the pro-AI/anti-AI position of people on X is the same, that would be a coincidence" - or simply proof that we had a random sample to begin with
"not a proof that X is representative of the population either." - a random sample of *25* people is representative of the population
"You are saying that people can be representative on certain subjects and not others" - never said anything of the sort
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"If the pro-AI/anti-AI position of people on X is the same, that would be a coincidence" - or simply proof that we had a random sample to begin with"not a proof that X is representative of the population either." - a random sample of *25* people is representative of the population
"You are saying that people can be representative on certain subjects and not others" - never said anything of the sort
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org A random sample of 25 people, maybe, but you have to prove it’s a random sample… my point is precisely that you can’t assume the Fediverse or the DDG poll was done on a random sample (because people sharing a DDG poll or using the Fediverse aren’t random, they are people that already have a bias toward privacy).
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"If the pro-AI/anti-AI position of people on X is the same, that would be a coincidence" - or simply proof that we had a random sample to begin with"not a proof that X is representative of the population either." - a random sample of *25* people is representative of the population
"You are saying that people can be representative on certain subjects and not others" - never said anything of the sort
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"there’s already a bias" - so you're saying that you can't ask fascists what they have for breakfast, because somehow being a fascist means they have different breakfast preferences to everyone else?
"Maybe that bias isn’t important" - you're finally catching on
"you have to prove it" - no I don't. YOU'RE the one claiming it's biased, YOU are the one who has to prove that claim
"you have to prove it’s a random sample" - nope, you have to show it was biased
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org A random sample of 25 people, maybe, but you have to prove it’s a random sample… my point is precisely that you can’t assume the Fediverse or the DDG poll was done on a random sample (because people sharing a DDG poll or using the Fediverse aren’t random, they are people that already have a bias toward privacy).
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Stem@framapiaf.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I think that you should learn about filter bubble.
Local reality exist online the same way as they do offline. If you’re saying that a local reality isn’t a valid random sample, then a poll shared on the web isn’t either. Its results will depend on where it was shared, and who have shared it.
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"there’s already a bias" - so you're saying that you can't ask fascists what they have for breakfast, because somehow being a fascist means they have different breakfast preferences to everyone else?"Maybe that bias isn’t important" - you're finally catching on
"you have to prove it" - no I don't. YOU'RE the one claiming it's biased, YOU are the one who has to prove that claim
"you have to prove it’s a random sample" - nope, you have to show it was biased
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org You’re the one claiming it’s a random sample, you are the one who has to prove that claim…
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"there’s already a bias" - so you're saying that you can't ask fascists what they have for breakfast, because somehow being a fascist means they have different breakfast preferences to everyone else?"Maybe that bias isn’t important" - you're finally catching on
"you have to prove it" - no I don't. YOU'RE the one claiming it's biased, YOU are the one who has to prove that claim
"you have to prove it’s a random sample" - nope, you have to show it was biased
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"my point is precisely that you can’t assume the Fediverse or the DDG poll was done on a random sample" - and your point is wrong, given you haven't provided any evidence of any bias"people sharing a DDG poll or using the Fediverse aren’t random" - yes they are!
"they are people that already have a bias toward privacy" - it's hilarious you're establishing a link between people who care about privacy being against AI. You're nearly getting it now
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"my point is precisely that you can’t assume the Fediverse or the DDG poll was done on a random sample" - and your point is wrong, given you haven't provided any evidence of any bias"people sharing a DDG poll or using the Fediverse aren’t random" - yes they are!
"they are people that already have a bias toward privacy" - it's hilarious you're establishing a link between people who care about privacy being against AI. You're nearly getting it now
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org Your last sentence is weird?
I mean, are you acknowledging that there is a link between caring privacy and being anti-AI?
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @Stem@framapiaf.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org I think that you should learn about filter bubble.
Local reality exist online the same way as they do offline. If you’re saying that a local reality isn’t a valid random sample, then a poll shared on the web isn’t either. Its results will depend on where it was shared, and who have shared it.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"I think that you should learn about filter bubble" - you mean you need to learn about Statistics"Local reality exist online the same way as they do offline" - so what you're saying is that a random sample online is representative of a random sample offline, as I've been saying all along
"If you’re saying that a local reality isn’t a valid random sample" - nope. I said the random samples went way beyond local realities
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"I think that you should learn about filter bubble" - you mean you need to learn about Statistics"Local reality exist online the same way as they do offline" - so what you're saying is that a random sample online is representative of a random sample offline, as I've been saying all along
"If you’re saying that a local reality isn’t a valid random sample" - nope. I said the random samples went way beyond local realities
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org So local reality offline is a random sample? You said it was not?
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org Your last sentence is weird?
I mean, are you acknowledging that there is a link between caring privacy and being anti-AI?
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"are you acknowledging that there is a link between caring privacy and being anti-AI?" - no, I was pointing out that YOU were -
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org So local reality offline is a random sample? You said it was not?
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So local reality offline is a random sample?" - nope, never said that either -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"are you acknowledging that there is a link between caring privacy and being anti-AI?" - no, I was pointing out that YOU were@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org Yes?
There is a link between caring about privacy and being anti-AI.
There is a link between caring about the environment and being anti-AI too.
There is a lot of these links. That’s why it’s biased…
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So local reality offline is a random sample?" - nope, never said that either@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org …but this poll was done in a local reality online…
You’re not making any sense.
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org …but this poll was done in a local reality online…
You’re not making any sense.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"but this poll was done in a local reality online" - no it wasn't. It was shared across multiple platforms"You’re not making any sense" - as I already said, you need to learn about Statistics. Do that and it will all make sense
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org Yes?
There is a link between caring about privacy and being anti-AI.
There is a link between caring about the environment and being anti-AI too.
There is a lot of these links. That’s why it’s biased…
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"There is a lot of these links. That’s why it’s biased" - so you're saying if I see a lot of links about Nazi Germany in my timeline on a WWII anniversary, then I am biased towards Nazi's? I see you don't understand how polls work. Bye dude -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"but this poll was done in a local reality online" - no it wasn't. It was shared across multiple platforms"You’re not making any sense" - as I already said, you need to learn about Statistics. Do that and it will all make sense
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in, that’s enough to convert the local reality of “your city” to a random sample?
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in, that’s enough to convert the local reality of “your city” to a random sample?
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in" - you know these polls have run world-wide, right? -
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"There is a lot of these links. That’s why it’s biased" - so you're saying if I see a lot of links about Nazi Germany in my timeline on a WWII anniversary, then I am biased towards Nazi's? I see you don't understand how polls work. Bye dude@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org I don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works.
Which is a bit concerning for a “maths teacher/tutor”.
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@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"So if you ask tho the neighbour city instead of only the one you live in" - you know these polls have run world-wide, right?@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org But not across the whole population, only part of it.
Local reality, or bubble filter, aren’t only geographic, you know?
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@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @Stem@framapiaf.org I don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works.
Which is a bit concerning for a “maths teacher/tutor”.
@breizh @davidrevoy @Stem
"don’t think you understand how polls, statistics and social studies works" - I have a degree in Statistics dude, how about you?"Which is a bit concerning for a "maths teacher/tutor"" - which part did you miss where I majored in Statistics along the way to becoming a Maths teacher?
