Mozilla Firefox alternatives to check out:
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@tokeriis @simonjust Det synes jeg. Man understøtter Googles omfattende browser-monopol ved at vælge en Chromium-baseret browser.
@tokeriis @simonjust Men der er også Servo og Ladybird på vej, og så er der selvfølgelig de Webkit-baserede, som GNOME Web (tidligere Epihany) og Safari.
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@tokeriis @simonjust Men der er også Servo og Ladybird på vej, og så er der selvfølgelig de Webkit-baserede, som GNOME Web (tidligere Epihany) og Safari.
@marcusxms @simonjust I princippet er jeg enig. Jeg ville elske, hvis ikke det var Google der drev de facto standarderne gennem deres semi-monopol.
Man kan selvfølgelig diskutere, om man ikke hjælper Googles browsermonopol ved at forke Firefox, som i forvejen har en lille markedsandel?
PS Orion fra Kagi er også webkit-baseret.
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@folfdk @simonjust I also need to change away from FF.
I was trying to figure out Waterfox, but it's very secretive about its governance and community. It seems to be run by mostly just 1 person who's active on Hackernews and LinkedIn. Which might be fine for a small software library, but a bit questionable for a full browser.
LibreWolf is in start contrast to that, looks much more like a flourishing community.
That's a good point Benjamin, I was looking for Android alternatives and librewolf is only desktop so far if I understand correctly?
Hadn't looked at governance
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Mozilla Firefox alternatives to check out:
Librewolf: https://librewolf.net
Vivaldi: https://vivaldi.com
Floorp: https://floorp.app@simonjust I have been testing Falkon https://falkon.org recently—it is usable, but not without problems. I miss some of the plugins that were available in FF. After playing videos, I often find that the CPU load maxes out for several seconds and the machine is unresponsive (it's a small laptop with limited resources). I find that it crashes more often than FF, but not so often that it's impossible to use.
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That's a good point Benjamin, I was looking for Android alternatives and librewolf is only desktop so far if I understand correctly?
Hadn't looked at governance
@folfdk @benjaoming @simonjust I'm keeping Firefox for now. I'm not convinced any of the other projects have the capacity to work on a *full* web browser. It helps to run Firefox ESR (extended support release) as the less nice features haven't landed there yet.
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@simonjust Er vi kun glade for noget, der er forket fra Firefox, og ikke Chromium?
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@simonjust I have been testing Falkon https://falkon.org recently—it is usable, but not without problems. I miss some of the plugins that were available in FF. After playing videos, I often find that the CPU load maxes out for several seconds and the machine is unresponsive (it's a small laptop with limited resources). I find that it crashes more often than FF, but not so often that it's impossible to use.
@MrManor Yes, that is sadly my experience with Falkon too. But it has been a while since I tried it, so I'll give it another try.
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@MrManor Yes, that is sadly my experience with Falkon too. But it has been a while since I tried it, so I'll give it another try.
@simonjust @MrManor I've started dipping my toes in LibreWolf. Not horrible so far.
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@simonjust @MrManor I've started dipping my toes in LibreWolf. Not horrible so far.
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@simonjust @saustrup Yes, I have the same impression. It feels lighter on a labtop with limited resources like mine. However, I'm not sure if that's just because it's Qt-based and I'm running KDE anyway, so maybe they share some resources.
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@simonjust @MrManor Also stumbled across this, which might make it even faster, more secure or whatever, based on what configuration file you pick: https://github.com/yokoffing/BetterFox
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@simonjust @saustrup Yes, I have the same impression. It feels lighter on a labtop with limited resources like mine. However, I'm not sure if that's just because it's Qt-based and I'm running KDE anyway, so maybe they share some resources.
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@simonjust @MrManor Also stumbled across this, which might make it even faster, more secure or whatever, based on what configuration file you pick: https://github.com/yokoffing/BetterFox
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@simonjust @MrManor @saustrup
Librewolf it not based on qt or kde, it is same ui library as firefox. It may be faster because they removed/disabled some of the bloat.I use librewolf too, on kde, and zenbrowser, which is another great firefox based browser
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@simonjust @pmakholm Nå ja, det overså jeg, my bad!
Så vil jeg også anbefale Helium: https://helium.computer
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@folfdk @benjaoming @simonjust I'm keeping Firefox for now. I'm not convinced any of the other projects have the capacity to work on a *full* web browser. It helps to run Firefox ESR (extended support release) as the less nice features haven't landed there yet.
@reynir @folfdk @simonjust I was hoping a major Linux distro would form an opinion and figure out which replacement of Firefox to go for.
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@reynir @folfdk @simonjust I was hoping a major Linux distro would form an opinion and figure out which replacement of Firefox to go for.
@benjaoming @reynir @folfdk Agreed, either that or disable/rip out the AI parts
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@benjaoming @reynir @folfdk Agreed, either that or disable/rip out the AI parts
@simonjust @reynir @folfdk I think what happened with the last round of IceWeasel was that Mozilla was unhappy with some patches Debian did. In effect it means that every time someone changes Firefox in a way that Mozilla doesn't agree with, they are not allowed to call it Firefox anymore.
»In 2006, Mozilla withdrew their permission for Debian to use the Firefox name due to significant changes to the browser that Mozilla deemed outside the boundaries of its policy« - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat
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@benjaoming @reynir @folfdk Agreed, either that or disable/rip out the AI parts
@simonjust @benjaoming @reynir @folfdk I'm quite happy with https://zen-browser.app/
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@simonjust @reynir @folfdk I think what happened with the last round of IceWeasel was that Mozilla was unhappy with some patches Debian did. In effect it means that every time someone changes Firefox in a way that Mozilla doesn't agree with, they are not allowed to call it Firefox anymore.
»In 2006, Mozilla withdrew their permission for Debian to use the Firefox name due to significant changes to the browser that Mozilla deemed outside the boundaries of its policy« - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_IceCat
@benjaoming @reynir @folfdk That's right. I think that is alright, because you're not getting the full "Firefox experience" (for better or worse) and projects can deviate into their own separate thing.
