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  3. Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

    /fin (for now)

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    #10

    @emilymbender say it louder for those in the back!!

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

      /fin (for now)

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      #11

      @emilymbender

      People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

        /fin (for now)

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        #12

        @emilymbender In Google's defense, they have been so good at making their search engine pure shit, "AI" search just might be better.

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        • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

          @emilymbender

          People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

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          #13

          @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Do you have recommendations for ones that aren't DuckDuckGo?

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          • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

            @emilymbender

            People should use search options that either have no AI summary or at least allow you to easily turn it off permanently as DuckDuckGo does.

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            #14

            @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Ah, yet when you use privacy features within DuckDuckGo, or numerous available browsers, disabling AI is (predictably) per session. It would seem the better way would be to have opt-out by default, with locally stored flag for enabling AI being useful for those that have... not bothered with privacy -- which is not their target audience? So, I am sorry but DuckDuckGo does not allow for disabling AI; it is a misleading claim.

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            • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

              @emilymbender we're living through a mass psychological engineering campaign and the results have been, and will continue to be, horrifying https://azhdarchid.com/are-llms-useful

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              #15

              @jplebreton @emilymbender

              The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

              The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

              So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

              https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

              It's the best at:
              1. Election interference
              2. Malign influence campaigns
              3. Automated cyberwarfare
              4. Manipulation of public sentiment
              5. Automated hate campaigns
              6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
              7. Frying the planet

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              • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                @jplebreton @emilymbender

                The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                It's the best at:
                1. Election interference
                2. Malign influence campaigns
                3. Automated cyberwarfare
                4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                5. Automated hate campaigns
                6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                7. Frying the planet

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                #16

                @Npars01 @emilymbender yeah, it's clearly one of those technologies that accelerates just about everything patriarchal white supremacist capitalism does in various ways, and provides a greater means of plausible deniability to the people behind that than previous systems. it enables the monsters running the world to Capitalism Harder, at the exact moment when we need to be doing the opposite and take better care of one another and our planet. so in that sense it's definitely working as designed.

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                • evannakita@mastodon.onlineE evannakita@mastodon.online

                  @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Do you have recommendations for ones that aren't DuckDuckGo?

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                  #17

                  @evannakita @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I use Startpage at times! @StartpageSearch Also, cool profile amd background picture!

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                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                    @jplebreton @emilymbender

                    The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                    The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                    So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                    It's the best at:
                    1. Election interference
                    2. Malign influence campaigns
                    3. Automated cyberwarfare
                    4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                    5. Automated hate campaigns
                    6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                    7. Frying the planet

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                    #18

                    @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender

                    Bang on.

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                    • oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.socialO oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.social

                      @emilymbender

                      Measuring and reviewing the quality of its summaries? How does a great AI house do that?

                      Unleashing one AI instance on another, and letting them "duke it out"?

                      I think I like it.

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                      #19

                      @emilymbender

                      I was being ironic. I hate everything about generative, text-puking "AI". It's environmental impact. Degradation of workers. Shoddy, unreliable output. Theft of thoughtful, imaginative or well-researched content. Fooling people into thinking they are being "helped" by a sentient, caring being. Erroneous "correcting" of my work.

                      Sorry for my misleading attempt at irony. ( But I would love to see AI battle-bots disrupt the blasted AI machines and destroy them.)

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                        /fin (for now)

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                        #20

                        @emilymbender
                        The con is to allow the user to imagine that the chatbot is AGI and not LLM. Once it is clear what the LLM is, then it is useful for finding normative language related to any number of topics, has been my experience. The AI market capitalization is criticized as a bubble. I think it is, too. I think that the misunderstanding regarding the chatbot will bite. I discussed this matter with DeepSeek: https://johntinker.substack.com/p/misunderstanding-as-a-commutator

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                        • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                          @jplebreton @emilymbender

                          The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                          The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                          So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                          It's the best at:
                          1. Election interference
                          2. Malign influence campaigns
                          3. Automated cyberwarfare
                          4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                          5. Automated hate campaigns
                          6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                          7. Frying the planet

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                          #21

                          @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender

                          Forbes is full of shit. Those five mega-billionaires, including Bill Gates and Charles Koch, are not giving a bent dime to "boost economic mobility" in the US, using AI or anything else.

                          They are trying to recoup the many more billions their organizations have and will spend on AI by forcing the world to accept their flawed products. Their purpose is to dominate the citizenry, not make it more able to climb a rigged economic ladder.

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                          • huntingdon@mstdn.socialH huntingdon@mstdn.social

                            @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender

                            Forbes is full of shit. Those five mega-billionaires, including Bill Gates and Charles Koch, are not giving a bent dime to "boost economic mobility" in the US, using AI or anything else.

                            They are trying to recoup the many more billions their organizations have and will spend on AI by forcing the world to accept their flawed products. Their purpose is to dominate the citizenry, not make it more able to climb a rigged economic ladder.

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                            #22

                            @huntingdon AI will be a drug that we will be addicted to.

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                            • evannakita@mastodon.onlineE evannakita@mastodon.online

                              @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Do you have recommendations for ones that aren't DuckDuckGo?

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                              #23

                              @evannakita

                              Sorry, no. I think DuckDuckGo is a decent option. They don't keep your search history and produce good search results.

                              @emilymbender

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                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                A short 🧵>>

                                https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                #24

                                @emilymbender If the approach to mking AI return good results is to put in a bunch of special cases, can we just go back to writing proper expert systems?

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                                • johntinker@hear-me.socialJ johntinker@hear-me.social

                                  @emilymbender
                                  The con is to allow the user to imagine that the chatbot is AGI and not LLM. Once it is clear what the LLM is, then it is useful for finding normative language related to any number of topics, has been my experience. The AI market capitalization is criticized as a bubble. I think it is, too. I think that the misunderstanding regarding the chatbot will bite. I discussed this matter with DeepSeek: https://johntinker.substack.com/p/misunderstanding-as-a-commutator

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                                  #25

                                  @johntinker See pinned toot:

                                  https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/109339391065534153

                                  Also, no, LLMs are not what you think they are, if you are "discussing" anything with them.

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                                  • iams@mastodon.socialI iams@mastodon.social

                                    @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Ah, yet when you use privacy features within DuckDuckGo, or numerous available browsers, disabling AI is (predictably) per session. It would seem the better way would be to have opt-out by default, with locally stored flag for enabling AI being useful for those that have... not bothered with privacy -- which is not their target audience? So, I am sorry but DuckDuckGo does not allow for disabling AI; it is a misleading claim.

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                                    #26

                                    @iams

                                    Looks to me like the settings are persistent by device.

                                    @emilymbender

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                                    • brian@veganism.socialB brian@veganism.social

                                      @evannakita @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I use Startpage at times! @StartpageSearch Also, cool profile amd background picture!

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                                      #27

                                      @Brian @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Thank you so much, both for the recommendation and for the compliment! I drew both of those and it means a lot to hear 🙂

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                                      • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                                        @evannakita

                                        Sorry, no. I think DuckDuckGo is a decent option. They don't keep your search history and produce good search results.

                                        @emilymbender

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                                        #28

                                        @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender No worries, and agreed on it being a decent option! It's what I've been using for a couple years now. I've just been troubled by some recent stuff the company's been doing, so I wanna keep my options open.

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                          Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                          The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                          A short 🧵>>

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                          #29

                                          @emilymbender I just wanna say, I'm thrilled that rugbies are back. I always loved rugbies.

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