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  • jeppe@mastodon.socialJ jeppe@mastodon.social

    @randahl What will that do to Mastodon? What about smaller or larger, or personal instances that federate?

    stuart@social.brainsys.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #9

    @jeppe @randahl

    Depends on whether the law has a threshold of users or revenue. This is useful as the authorities don't have to mess around with minor players and concentrate on the real offenders.

    His sign off remark might suggest just that.

    Most Fediverse instances' rules exclude illegal content. It that is enforced with decent moderation then there should be no risk. This proposed law is targeted at no or poorly moderated servers.

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    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

      Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

      Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

      “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
      Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
      spreading hate must come at a cost.”

      Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

      https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

      androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #10

      @randahl Yup.

      Platforms must be held accountable for any harmful content they promote - wheter through the retweets by the CEO or through algorithm.

      If any user gets harmful contect as a "recommendation", that is on the platform, and it must be punishable.

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      • jeppe@mastodon.socialJ jeppe@mastodon.social

        @ecomba @randahl so if a small instance federates with another instance where something illegal is posted. What will happen then? The content will show up on the small instance. It will add some very hard moderation needs, which might eliminate small instances. Im absolutely not talking about allowing that stuff. Thats not what I wrote either.

        androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #11

        @jeppe

        You are on the poorly moderated flagship instance. Why do you worry about small instances?

        Small instances are super-busy blocking crap that mastodon dot social allows in.

        @ecomba @randahl

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        • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

          @jeppe

          You are on the poorly moderated flagship instance. Why do you worry about small instances?

          Small instances are super-busy blocking crap that mastodon dot social allows in.

          @ecomba @randahl

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          #12

          @androcat @ecomba @randahl What does that have to do with me worrying about small instances?

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          • stuart@social.brainsys.comS stuart@social.brainsys.com

            @jeppe @randahl

            Depends on whether the law has a threshold of users or revenue. This is useful as the authorities don't have to mess around with minor players and concentrate on the real offenders.

            His sign off remark might suggest just that.

            Most Fediverse instances' rules exclude illegal content. It that is enforced with decent moderation then there should be no risk. This proposed law is targeted at no or poorly moderated servers.

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            #13

            @stuart @randahl Would be good if it was based on revenue.

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            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

              Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

              Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

              “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
              Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
              spreading hate must come at a cost.”

              Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

              https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

              jgivoni@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #14

              @randahl "Algorithmic manipulation", ooooh, I like how they are thinking, that term should be on everybody's tongue!

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              • jeppe@mastodon.socialJ jeppe@mastodon.social

                @androcat @ecomba @randahl What does that have to do with me worrying about small instances?

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                #15

                @jeppe

                You probably don't know much about what goes on in small instances.

                They are very aware of the need to moderate. This is not a threat to them in any way.

                But we can hope it's a threat to mastodon dot social, because maybe then they will start carrying their own weight.

                @ecomba @randahl

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                • jeppe@mastodon.socialJ jeppe@mastodon.social

                  @randahl What will that do to Mastodon? What about smaller or larger, or personal instances that federate?

                  kleisli@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #16

                  @jeppe this will depend on how the law defines "algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content" - but as mastodon doesn't have a content algorithm (unless you consider chronological listing an algorithm) I don't think this law will apply when an instance just shows illegal content that was posted on another instance. @randahl

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                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                    Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                    Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                    “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                    Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                    spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                    Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                    https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                    jgivoni@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #17

                    @randahl Just take the opportunity to repeal Article 6 of the Copyright Directive and make it illegal for providers to block users from using a service that extracts your feed from Facebook or X and show you only what you actually want to see.

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                      Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                      “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                      Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                      spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                      Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                      https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

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                      nicelymanifest@mastodon.social
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                      #18

                      @randahl This is beyond brilliant. Maybe the start of backlash at often indulgently reckless natures of the powerful who have a chilling indifference towards those they adversely affect.

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                      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                        Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                        Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                        “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                        Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                        spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                        Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                        https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                        lillavee@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #19

                        @randahl If the techbro pedophile club’s empire crumbles and ends, we will have cause for the first global holiday. Destroy them. Please.

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                          Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                          “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                          Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                          spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                          Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                          https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                          anikke@procial.tchncs.deA This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #20

                          @randahl@mastodon.social

                          I want to have this for the entiere EU.

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                          • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                            @jeppe

                            You probably don't know much about what goes on in small instances.

                            They are very aware of the need to moderate. This is not a threat to them in any way.

                            But we can hope it's a threat to mastodon dot social, because maybe then they will start carrying their own weight.

                            @ecomba @randahl

                            prefec2@norden.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #21

                            @jeppe @ecomba @randahl @androcat the effect will be small. Based on the news (there is no law right now), using algorithms to spread hate, will be illegal. Mastodon does not use such "algorithms" to push engagement. So here we would be fine. The other part is content moderation. We need to get better at that. Many smaller instances are better at that. Still we need maybe new ways to improve that. However, everyone can limit hate, by not boosting it. Thus, we are part of the solution.

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                            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                              Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                              Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                              “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                              Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                              spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                              Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                              https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                              milesizdead@mementomori.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #22

                              @randahl @niksii This is good, obviously. The only negative is the fact that they’re planning to ban social media from teens. So teens will be punished for the crimes of social media companies.

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                                Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                                “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                                Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                                spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                                Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                                https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                                atlovato@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #23

                                @randahl - 1000% - Good charge him for peddling kiddie Porn.

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                                • grumpydad@infosec.exchangeG grumpydad@infosec.exchange

                                  @randahl This does not bode well for social media in general and the big platforms (Xitter, Meta, TikTok) in particular.
                                  At least when it comes to a Spanish legal perspective...

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                                  alexafontanilla2024@mastodon.social
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                                  #24

                                  @grumpydad
                                  #PostOfTheWeek (season 3):
                                  Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez credited Morocco’s migration cooperation during a CNN interview at the World Governments Summit in Dubai, positioning the partnership as a template for European Union policy.

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                                  • A alexafontanilla2024@mastodon.social

                                    @grumpydad
                                    #PostOfTheWeek (season 3):
                                    Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez credited Morocco’s migration cooperation during a CNN interview at the World Governments Summit in Dubai, positioning the partnership as a template for European Union policy.

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                                    #25

                                    @grumpydad
                                    Sánchez stated that close coordination with Rabat has “very significantly” reduced irregular arrivals on Spanish territory. He identified Morocco as an essential strategic partner in regional migration management, attributing migration flow control to joint engagement and coordination with origin and transit countries.

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                                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                      Oooooh SNAP!!! 💥

                                      Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez of Spain:

                                      “First, we will change the law in Spain to hold platform executives legally accountable for many infringements taking place on their sites. This means that CEOs of these tech platforms will face criminal liability […]
                                      Second, we will turn algorithmic manipulation and amplification of illegal content into a new criminal offense. […]
                                      spreading hate must come at a cost.”

                                      Have a great weekend, Elon! 😘

                                      https://www.youtube.com/live/NElqgJ1aXFA?si=M52qiZYBt55KRamm

                                      betterifyouneil@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #26

                                      ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

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                                      • prefec2@norden.socialP prefec2@norden.social

                                        @jeppe @ecomba @randahl @androcat the effect will be small. Based on the news (there is no law right now), using algorithms to spread hate, will be illegal. Mastodon does not use such "algorithms" to push engagement. So here we would be fine. The other part is content moderation. We need to get better at that. Many smaller instances are better at that. Still we need maybe new ways to improve that. However, everyone can limit hate, by not boosting it. Thus, we are part of the solution.

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                                        #27

                                        @prefec2

                                        And by reporting it.
                                        And by muting or defederating from instances that won't listen.
                                        There's a whole bunch of things that can be done.

                                        But there are for sure small instances that are poorly moderated (for instance because the admin is a harasser) and these should in fact just be tossed out (defederated).

                                        @jeppe @ecomba @randahl

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                                        • milesizdead@mementomori.socialM milesizdead@mementomori.social

                                          @randahl @niksii This is good, obviously. The only negative is the fact that they’re planning to ban social media from teens. So teens will be punished for the crimes of social media companies.

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                                          #28

                                          @milesizdead yeah, it is sad that politicians all over the world are morally panicking and banning social media from teen instead of keeping companies accountable for the problem like bad moderation etc. @randahl

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