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  • weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyzW weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz

    @svat

    Somewhat like the mysterious operation I was taught as a child, called "gazinda".

    Supposed to have been "goes into", as in teaching integer division: 3 goes into 6 twice.

    And that was in midwestern American English, taught by a native speaker. There are reasons so many kids *fiercely* resist math.

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    #9

    @weekend_editor @svat Reminds me that my CS 101 professor used "wennsdu" ("wenn du", "if you", with an implied "have") with the rough meaning of "given".

    "Wennsdu ein ix und ein ipsilon" = "given x and y"

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    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

      two one zaar two
      two two zaar four
      two three zaar six
      two four zaar eight
      two five zaar ten
      two six zaar twelve
      …

      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

      two ones are two
      two twos are four
      …

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      #10

      @svat You must've gone to a fancy school. We were just happy with 'zaaaa' 😉

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      • tessarakt@mastodon.socialT tessarakt@mastodon.social

        @weekend_editor @svat Reminds me that my CS 101 professor used "wennsdu" ("wenn du", "if you", with an implied "have") with the rough meaning of "given".

        "Wennsdu ein ix und ein ipsilon" = "given x and y"

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        #11

        @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
        So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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        • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

          I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

          two one zaar two
          two two zaar four
          two three zaar six
          two four zaar eight
          two five zaar ten
          two six zaar twelve
          …

          We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

          Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

          two ones are two
          two twos are four
          …

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          #12

          @svat

          The times table, or rote learning, is a good way of learning certain basic, fixed relationships. The whole class in my primary school would recite them at once. I'm wondering if schools do things differently now? I imagine so, but I can't think of another equally effective way of doing it.

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          • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

            I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

            two one zaar two
            two two zaar four
            two three zaar six
            two four zaar eight
            two five zaar ten
            two six zaar twelve
            …

            We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

            Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

            two ones are two
            two twos are four
            …

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            #13

            @svat Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
            A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

            From Wikipedia: "Milton Drake, one of the writers, said the song had been based on an English nursery rhyme. According to this story, Drake's four-year-old daughter came home singing, 'Cowzy tweet and sowzy tweet and liddle sharksy doisters.'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mairzy_Doats

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            • bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB bstacey@icosahedron.website

              @svat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#Etymology

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              #14

              @bstacey @svat
              rebracketing is such a fun phenomenon!
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing

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              • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
                So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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                #15

                @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

                  @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                  #16

                  @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

                  (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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                  • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

                    @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                    #17

                    @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                    Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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                    • timjan@social.linux.pizzaT timjan@social.linux.pizza

                      @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                      Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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                      #18

                      @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                      Clue given by the fact the German word for "point" should be "Punkt", not "Bunkt".

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                      • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                        I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                        two one zaar two
                        two two zaar four
                        two three zaar six
                        two four zaar eight
                        two five zaar ten
                        two six zaar twelve
                        …

                        We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                        Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                        two ones are two
                        two twos are four
                        …

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                        #19

                        @svat 👏

                        Well told! A whole story unfolds for us. It even includes an unreliable narrator!

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                        • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                          @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

                          (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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                          #20

                          @thechris @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat Knowledge is power, France is bacon!

                          😄

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                          • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                            I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                            two one zaar two
                            two two zaar four
                            two three zaar six
                            two four zaar eight
                            two five zaar ten
                            two six zaar twelve
                            …

                            We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                            Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                            two ones are two
                            two twos are four
                            …

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                            @svat cc @grammargirl

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                            • hurrynot@mas.toH hurrynot@mas.to

                              @svat You must've gone to a fancy school. We were just happy with 'zaaaa' 😉

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                              @hurrynot I think dropping the 'r' was considered the more fancy accent 🙂

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                              • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                two one zaar two
                                two two zaar four
                                two three zaar six
                                two four zaar eight
                                two five zaar ten
                                two six zaar twelve
                                …

                                We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                two ones are two
                                two twos are four
                                …

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                                @svat language evolves so easily!

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                                • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                  I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                  two one zaar two
                                  two two zaar four
                                  two three zaar six
                                  two four zaar eight
                                  two five zaar ten
                                  two six zaar twelve
                                  …

                                  We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                  Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                  two ones are two
                                  two twos are four
                                  …

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                                  #24

                                  @svat Reminds me of Zardoz.

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                                  • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                    I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                    two one zaar two
                                    two two zaar four
                                    two three zaar six
                                    two four zaar eight
                                    two five zaar ten
                                    two six zaar twelve
                                    …

                                    We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                    Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                    two ones are two
                                    two twos are four
                                    …

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                                    #25

                                    @svat @vertigo RPN mode / HP calculators must’ve been super popular there.

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                                    • kallekn@mastodonsweden.seK kallekn@mastodonsweden.se

                                      @thechris @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat Knowledge is power, France is bacon!

                                      😄

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                                      @kallekn @thechris @iris @tessarakt @svat

                                      Scientia ipsa potestas est. Gallia lardum est!

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                                      • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                        I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                        two one zaar two
                                        two two zaar four
                                        two three zaar six
                                        two four zaar eight
                                        two five zaar ten
                                        two six zaar twelve
                                        …

                                        We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                        Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                        two ones are two
                                        two twos are four
                                        …

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                                        @svat @tess amazing

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                                        • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                                          @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
                                          So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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                                          #28

                                          @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat My algorithms and data structures professor in Norway was not a native speaker and pronounced "én" (one, stress on the e) and "enn" (the letter N, stress on the n) the same, so you really had to pay attention to the slides when she was teaching big O notation so you didn't get O(1) and O(n) mixed up.

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