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  • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

    I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

    two one zaar two
    two two zaar four
    two three zaar six
    two four zaar eight
    two five zaar ten
    two six zaar twelve
    …

    We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

    Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

    two ones are two
    two twos are four
    …

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    #12

    @svat

    The times table, or rote learning, is a good way of learning certain basic, fixed relationships. The whole class in my primary school would recite them at once. I'm wondering if schools do things differently now? I imagine so, but I can't think of another equally effective way of doing it.

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    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

      two one zaar two
      two two zaar four
      two three zaar six
      two four zaar eight
      two five zaar ten
      two six zaar twelve
      …

      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

      two ones are two
      two twos are four
      …

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      #13

      @svat Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
      A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

      From Wikipedia: "Milton Drake, one of the writers, said the song had been based on an English nursery rhyme. According to this story, Drake's four-year-old daughter came home singing, 'Cowzy tweet and sowzy tweet and liddle sharksy doisters.'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mairzy_Doats

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      • bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB bstacey@icosahedron.website

        @svat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#Etymology

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        @bstacey @svat
        rebracketing is such a fun phenomenon!
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing

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        • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

          @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
          So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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          #15

          @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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          • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

            @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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            #16

            @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

            (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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            • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

              @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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              #17

              @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
              Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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              • timjan@social.linux.pizzaT timjan@social.linux.pizza

                @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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                #18

                @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                Clue given by the fact the German word for "point" should be "Punkt", not "Bunkt".

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                • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                  I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                  two one zaar two
                  two two zaar four
                  two three zaar six
                  two four zaar eight
                  two five zaar ten
                  two six zaar twelve
                  …

                  We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                  Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                  two ones are two
                  two twos are four
                  …

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                  #19

                  @svat 👏

                  Well told! A whole story unfolds for us. It even includes an unreliable narrator!

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                  • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                    @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

                    (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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                    #20

                    @thechris @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat Knowledge is power, France is bacon!

                    😄

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                    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                      two one zaar two
                      two two zaar four
                      two three zaar six
                      two four zaar eight
                      two five zaar ten
                      two six zaar twelve
                      …

                      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                      two ones are two
                      two twos are four
                      …

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                      #21

                      @svat cc @grammargirl

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                      • hurrynot@mas.toH hurrynot@mas.to

                        @svat You must've gone to a fancy school. We were just happy with 'zaaaa' 😉

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                        #22

                        @hurrynot I think dropping the 'r' was considered the more fancy accent 🙂

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                        • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                          I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                          two one zaar two
                          two two zaar four
                          two three zaar six
                          two four zaar eight
                          two five zaar ten
                          two six zaar twelve
                          …

                          We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                          Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                          two ones are two
                          two twos are four
                          …

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                          @svat language evolves so easily!

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                          • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                            I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                            two one zaar two
                            two two zaar four
                            two three zaar six
                            two four zaar eight
                            two five zaar ten
                            two six zaar twelve
                            …

                            We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                            Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                            two ones are two
                            two twos are four
                            …

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                            @svat Reminds me of Zardoz.

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                            • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                              I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                              two one zaar two
                              two two zaar four
                              two three zaar six
                              two four zaar eight
                              two five zaar ten
                              two six zaar twelve
                              …

                              We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                              Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                              two ones are two
                              two twos are four
                              …

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                              @svat @vertigo RPN mode / HP calculators must’ve been super popular there.

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                              • kallekn@mastodonsweden.seK kallekn@mastodonsweden.se

                                @thechris @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat Knowledge is power, France is bacon!

                                😄

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                                @kallekn @thechris @iris @tessarakt @svat

                                Scientia ipsa potestas est. Gallia lardum est!

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                                • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                  I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                  two one zaar two
                                  two two zaar four
                                  two three zaar six
                                  two four zaar eight
                                  two five zaar ten
                                  two six zaar twelve
                                  …

                                  We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                  Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                  two ones are two
                                  two twos are four
                                  …

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                                  #27

                                  @svat @tess amazing

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                                  • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                                    @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
                                    So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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                                    @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat My algorithms and data structures professor in Norway was not a native speaker and pronounced "én" (one, stress on the e) and "enn" (the letter N, stress on the n) the same, so you really had to pay attention to the slides when she was teaching big O notation so you didn't get O(1) and O(n) mixed up.

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                                    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                      two one zaar two
                                      two two zaar four
                                      two three zaar six
                                      two four zaar eight
                                      two five zaar ten
                                      two six zaar twelve
                                      …

                                      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                      two ones are two
                                      two twos are four
                                      …

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                                      #29

                                      @svat Fascinating! In my UK primary school, ~1980, we sang/chanted the same but swapping the multiplier and multiplicand:

                                      one two is two
                                      two twos are four
                                      three twos are six
                                      ...

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                                      • darcmoughty@infosec.exchangeD darcmoughty@infosec.exchange

                                        @svat I'm not at all an expert in this, but I can see how fitting the tables into 'four syllables each' and reducing the numbers to not include plurals would sort of do something like 'byte-alignment in our brains that are used to music'.

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                                        #30

                                        @DarcMoughty @svat this is the way it's done in chinese

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_multiplication_table

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                                        • riggbeck@mastodon.socialR riggbeck@mastodon.social

                                          @svat

                                          The times table, or rote learning, is a good way of learning certain basic, fixed relationships. The whole class in my primary school would recite them at once. I'm wondering if schools do things differently now? I imagine so, but I can't think of another equally effective way of doing it.

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                                          @riggbeck @svat my children are made to play https://www.topmarks.co.uk/maths-games/hit-the-button - quickfire times tables questions - and compete on speed. Less dull than chanting but they still hate it

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