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  • svat@mathstodon.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

    two one zaar two
    two two zaar four
    two three zaar six
    two four zaar eight
    two five zaar ten
    two six zaar twelve
    …

    We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

    Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

    two ones are two
    two twos are four
    …

    christianp@mathstodon.xyzC weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyzW bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM darcmoughty@infosec.exchangeD 22 Replies Last reply
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    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

      two one zaar two
      two two zaar four
      two three zaar six
      two four zaar eight
      two five zaar ten
      two six zaar twelve
      …

      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

      two ones are two
      two twos are four
      …

      christianp@mathstodon.xyzC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @svat Hah, I love that! A mathematical eggcorn

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      • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

        I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

        two one zaar two
        two two zaar four
        two three zaar six
        two four zaar eight
        two five zaar ten
        two six zaar twelve
        …

        We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

        Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

        two ones are two
        two twos are four
        …

        weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyzW This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @svat

        Somewhat like the mysterious operation I was taught as a child, called "gazinda".

        Supposed to have been "goes into", as in teaching integer division: 3 goes into 6 twice.

        And that was in midwestern American English, taught by a native speaker. There are reasons so many kids *fiercely* resist math.

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        • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

          I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

          two one zaar two
          two two zaar four
          two three zaar six
          two four zaar eight
          two five zaar ten
          two six zaar twelve
          …

          We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

          Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

          two ones are two
          two twos are four
          …

          bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @svat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#Etymology

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          • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

            I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

            two one zaar two
            two two zaar four
            two three zaar six
            two four zaar eight
            two five zaar ten
            two six zaar twelve
            …

            We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

            Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

            two ones are two
            two twos are four
            …

            mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @svat I absolutely love these kinds of persistent “egg corns”!

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            • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

              I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

              two one zaar two
              two two zaar four
              two three zaar six
              two four zaar eight
              two five zaar ten
              two six zaar twelve
              …

              We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

              Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

              two ones are two
              two twos are four
              …

              darcmoughty@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @svat I'm not at all an expert in this, but I can see how fitting the tables into 'four syllables each' and reducing the numbers to not include plurals would sort of do something like 'byte-alignment in our brains that are used to music'.

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              • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                two one zaar two
                two two zaar four
                two three zaar six
                two four zaar eight
                two five zaar ten
                two six zaar twelve
                …

                We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                two ones are two
                two twos are four
                …

                dannyman@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @svat

                👀

                Well isn't that ...

                👀

                "Bizarre"

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                • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                  I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                  two one zaar two
                  two two zaar four
                  two three zaar six
                  two four zaar eight
                  two five zaar ten
                  two six zaar twelve
                  …

                  We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                  Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                  two ones are two
                  two twos are four
                  …

                  jsbarretto@social.coopJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @svat Good way to learn Forth early!

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                  • weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyzW weekend_editor@mathstodon.xyz

                    @svat

                    Somewhat like the mysterious operation I was taught as a child, called "gazinda".

                    Supposed to have been "goes into", as in teaching integer division: 3 goes into 6 twice.

                    And that was in midwestern American English, taught by a native speaker. There are reasons so many kids *fiercely* resist math.

                    tessarakt@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @weekend_editor @svat Reminds me that my CS 101 professor used "wennsdu" ("wenn du", "if you", with an implied "have") with the rough meaning of "given".

                    "Wennsdu ein ix und ein ipsilon" = "given x and y"

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                    • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                      I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                      two one zaar two
                      two two zaar four
                      two three zaar six
                      two four zaar eight
                      two five zaar ten
                      two six zaar twelve
                      …

                      We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                      Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                      two ones are two
                      two twos are four
                      …

                      hurrynot@mas.toH This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @svat You must've gone to a fancy school. We were just happy with 'zaaaa' 😉

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                      • tessarakt@mastodon.socialT tessarakt@mastodon.social

                        @weekend_editor @svat Reminds me that my CS 101 professor used "wennsdu" ("wenn du", "if you", with an implied "have") with the rough meaning of "given".

                        "Wennsdu ein ix und ein ipsilon" = "given x and y"

                        thechris@norden.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
                        So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

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                        • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                          I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                          two one zaar two
                          two two zaar four
                          two three zaar six
                          two four zaar eight
                          two five zaar ten
                          two six zaar twelve
                          …

                          We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                          Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                          two ones are two
                          two twos are four
                          …

                          riggbeck@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @svat

                          The times table, or rote learning, is a good way of learning certain basic, fixed relationships. The whole class in my primary school would recite them at once. I'm wondering if schools do things differently now? I imagine so, but I can't think of another equally effective way of doing it.

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                          • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                            I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                            two one zaar two
                            two two zaar four
                            two three zaar six
                            two four zaar eight
                            two five zaar ten
                            two six zaar twelve
                            …

                            We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                            Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                            two ones are two
                            two twos are four
                            …

                            callisto@disabled.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @svat Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
                            A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

                            From Wikipedia: "Milton Drake, one of the writers, said the song had been based on an English nursery rhyme. According to this story, Drake's four-year-old daughter came home singing, 'Cowzy tweet and sowzy tweet and liddle sharksy doisters.'" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mairzy_Doats

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                            • bstacey@icosahedron.websiteB bstacey@icosahedron.website

                              @svat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand#Etymology

                              yuvalne@433.worldY This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @bstacey @svat
                              rebracketing is such a fun phenomenon!
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing

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                              • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                                @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat This probably won't translate well, but in Geometry we had a teacher from Frankonia who would say "the boint B" (der Bunkt B) und write a "P" on the board, and then "the line from A to B" and write A and B on the board and drew a line between them.
                                So if you just listened you had two points in mind, when there were in fact three.

                                iris@neuromatch.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                                • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

                                  @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                                  #16

                                  @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

                                  (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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                                  • iris@neuromatch.socialI iris@neuromatch.social

                                    @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat I'm so confused by this one. Was this an error on the instructor's part? Are there supposed to be two or three points really?

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                                    #17

                                    @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                                    Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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                                    • timjan@social.linux.pizzaT timjan@social.linux.pizza

                                      @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                                      Apparently the Frankonian dialect voices their 'P' so they sound like 'B'?

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                                      #18

                                      @iris @thechris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat
                                      Clue given by the fact the German word for "point" should be "Punkt", not "Bunkt".

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                                      • svat@mathstodon.xyzS svat@mathstodon.xyz

                                        I went to school in India, and we learned the multiplication tables with a chant that involved a postfix operator called "zaar":

                                        two one zaar two
                                        two two zaar four
                                        two three zaar six
                                        two four zaar eight
                                        two five zaar ten
                                        two six zaar twelve
                                        …

                                        We just accepted such a postfix operator as the most natural thing, and freely used it when talking to each other: “what is seven six zaar?” (42)

                                        Some of us were adults before realizing (and some probably never realizing) that these “tables” we all sang as children had probably started as:

                                        two ones are two
                                        two twos are four
                                        …

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                                        #19

                                        @svat 👏

                                        Well told! A whole story unfolds for us. It even includes an unreliable narrator!

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                                        • thechris@norden.socialT thechris@norden.social

                                          @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat There are three points A, B and P, but in the Frankonian dialect "P" is pronounced as "B", so it sounded like only two.

                                          (Same with "T", sounds like "D")

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                                          #20

                                          @thechris @iris @tessarakt @weekend_editor @svat Knowledge is power, France is bacon!

                                          😄

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