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  • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

    @joe a kind soul archived Proton’s response for posterity:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20260608152522/https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/can_someone_from_protonmail_clarify_this_matter/

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    #175

    @slothrop @joe It looks like reddit might be doing something that prevents the wayback machine from working, because this doesn't load, even on a clean firefox instance.
    -F

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    • S selflesssloth@social.tchncs.de

      @slothrop
      Diese Unterscheidung entschuldigt jedoch nicht, was hier geschehen ist. Es liegt in unserer Verantwortung, die Partner, mit denen wir zusammenarbeiten, sorgfältig zu prüfen, und dieser Verantwortung sind wir dieses Mal nicht gerecht geworden. Wir überprüfen nun unseren Auswahlprozess und unsere Richtlinien für Marketingagenturen, um sicherzustellen, dass dies nicht wieder vorkommt.

      Sollten Sie erneut einen solchen Vorfall beobachten, informieren Sie uns bitte. Wir sind auf Ihr Feedback und Ihre Aufmerksamkeit angewiesen.

      3/3

      slothrop@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #176

      @selflesssloth das ist einfach der Text des Reddit-Posts in deutscher Übersetzung

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      • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

        RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

        If you’re still using Proton mail:

        The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

        If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

        UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

        https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

        #proton #fash

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        #177

        @slothrop That post isn’t researched at all. Just an immediate reaction from someone who saw a sponsorship claim.

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        • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

          @nileane @slothrop I don't know who this is, can you fill me in? I didn't get a very clear picture from the Firefox translation of their Wikipedia page.

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          #178

          @theeclecticdyslexic @nileane @slothrop The guy is a French video-maker, active at least on YouTube. I discovered his existence when stumbling on a long video he made about Brussels. It took me 1 min. to suspect it was shady far-right propaganda, and a couple of additional minutes to have confirmation.

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          • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

            @slothrop That post isn’t researched at all. Just an immediate reaction from someone who saw a sponsorship claim.

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            #179

            @david are you fucking serious, or at least believe yourself to be??!

            What kind of “research” do you find necessary if a fucking Nazi says “I’d like to thank Proton for their support”, and Proton follows up by saying “yeah, we supported that Nazi, but it was a mistake”?

            You seem to propose a standard of thoroughness that you yourself are a couple of galaxies away from meeting.

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              #180

              @slothrop If you looked into it you’d see there was more to it than that. It was a mistake on the part of Proton and they admitted the mistake. The left needs not to become as bad as the right by jumping to extreme reactions. And insulting me won’t make anything better for anyone. You don’t judge anyone to an extreme degree for a single mistake. That’s what the right do.

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              • tempusfelix@wehavecookies.socialT tempusfelix@wehavecookies.social

                @slothrop

                Oh ffs. Is there a service provider who isn’t fash or fash adjacent? Idonly just managed to migrate away from gmail!

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                #181

                @tempusfelix @slothrop
                ```
                STA:> SAME
                STA:> I'm SO MAD
                DIR:> Just adding "custom SMTP server" to the pile of tasks towards a personal tech stack.
                CNJ:> I think it's important to take action about these things at one's own pace, does no good to burn oneself out.
                DIR:> When I have the energy, I will commence the journey for a different email provider.
                ```

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                • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                  @selflesssloth das ist einfach der Text des Reddit-Posts in deutscher Übersetzung

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                  #182

                  @slothrop jo, stimmt... den hatte ich noch nicht gesehen. Well...

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                  • david@social.piconet.workD david@social.piconet.work

                    @slothrop If you looked into it you’d see there was more to it than that. It was a mistake on the part of Proton and they admitted the mistake. The left needs not to become as bad as the right by jumping to extreme reactions. And insulting me won’t make anything better for anyone. You don’t judge anyone to an extreme degree for a single mistake. That’s what the right do.

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                    #183

                    @david I will judge people on their words, and on their deeds.

                    And you’re not measuring up.

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                    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                      RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                      If you’re still using Proton mail:

                      The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                      If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                      UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                      #proton #fash

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                      #184

                      @slothrop 1. Thank you for the post, it has added significantly to my block list, I'm so sorry you had to put up with so much crap. 2. Has anyone I can't see mentioned an alternative for VPN? I mostly got it because someone suggested it and I could get it on fdroid and it had a built in ad blocker. I have time left on my plan, but frankly, depending on how much is left, would gladly jump ship early to make a point, especially if the new service doesn't cost the moon and works well.

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                      • yaxu@post.lurk.orgY yaxu@post.lurk.org

                        @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop sorry, I didn't watch the video and didn't realise there was a whole segment. I was expecting the link to show a discount rather than redirect to a generic page but looks like I am mistaken on that too. Thanks for clarifying, looking forward to proton responding to this

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                        #185

                        @yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop

                        > I didn't realise there was a whole sponsor segment

                        she explicitly told you so? you didn't even read the post you were answering to lmao

                        Imagine calling yourself a "research fellow" and not bothering to do the most basic fact-checking

                        the urge to yell at a woman is simply too strong I guess

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                        • shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS shemjm@social.vivaldi.net

                          @slothrop never heard of that YouTuber. What makes him far right/fascist?

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                          #186

                          @shemjm use a search engine your choice, and find out

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                          • anhedonie@chaosfem.twA anhedonie@chaosfem.tw

                            @yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop

                            > I didn't realise there was a whole sponsor segment

                            she explicitly told you so? you didn't even read the post you were answering to lmao

                            Imagine calling yourself a "research fellow" and not bothering to do the most basic fact-checking

                            the urge to yell at a woman is simply too strong I guess

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                            #187

                            @anhedonie @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop Not my finest moment to be fair

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                            • dngrs@chaos.socialD dngrs@chaos.social

                              @Phracker2Art it's neither silly nor counterproductive. Money is power, endorsement (by being a sponsor) lends credibility, and so on.

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                              #188

                              @dngrs
                              Well, what are they supposed to do, turn down obvious growth opportunities based on political affiliation? They have to stay in business. If humanity had transcended capitalism, maybe things would be different, but as it stands we live in a capitalist society where organizations that provide a service need to maximize profit in order to keep providing that service. That's pretty much unavoidable unless you can get crowdfunding like Wikimedia, and even then you still need to reach people.

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                              • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                @shemjm use a search engine your choice, and find out

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                                #189

                                @slothrop yeah I had a look prior to asking. Couldn't find anything fascist related. Although he does seem to be right wing on some issues.

                                `
                                Lapierre denies being far-right or fascist, claiming he's "sovereignist" (left-leaning economically, conservative on societal issues). `

                                Really the left- right talk is not useful. I prefer the political compass.

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                                • shemjm@social.vivaldi.netS shemjm@social.vivaldi.net

                                  @slothrop yeah I had a look prior to asking. Couldn't find anything fascist related. Although he does seem to be right wing on some issues.

                                  `
                                  Lapierre denies being far-right or fascist, claiming he's "sovereignist" (left-leaning economically, conservative on societal issues). `

                                  Really the left- right talk is not useful. I prefer the political compass.

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                                  #190

                                  @shemjm oh great. Welcome to my blocklist.

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                                  • phracker2art@mstdn.socialP phracker2art@mstdn.social

                                    @dngrs
                                    Well, what are they supposed to do, turn down obvious growth opportunities based on political affiliation? They have to stay in business. If humanity had transcended capitalism, maybe things would be different, but as it stands we live in a capitalist society where organizations that provide a service need to maximize profit in order to keep providing that service. That's pretty much unavoidable unless you can get crowdfunding like Wikimedia, and even then you still need to reach people.

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                                    #191

                                    @Phracker2Art there never was a need to maximize profits, that road only leads to crimes. Proton terminated this particular sponsor relationship btw. Protesting works.

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                                    • dngrs@chaos.socialD dngrs@chaos.social

                                      @Phracker2Art there never was a need to maximize profits, that road only leads to crimes. Proton terminated this particular sponsor relationship btw. Protesting works.

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                                      #192

                                      @dngrs
                                      So I assume the boycott of Proton is being called off then?

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                                      • ache@social.lolA ache@social.lol

                                        @gavin57 @mdione Did you read the information they send to the police ?

                                        Like "IP linked to the account", name of the device linked to the account", and a "mobile" number associated to the account (phone number ? Too long to be just the phone number, maybe IMSI).

                                        Nothing linked the the payment information. Please don't call for "fake news". They don't seems to store clear text emails for now, that is a good thing.

                                        It's not just a affialiated link. It's about money.
                                        This far right activist is getting money from them.

                                        https://youtu.be/8aUdWFfKCog&t=66

                                        But as I said, for a tech person, proton mail usage is just, "not the right way". Tuta isn't very better since is hard to use something else than the web ui (the WEB ui ! 🤯).

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                                        #193

                                        @ache Look, I use Tuta myself, but I find the "They gave someone's data to the police!!!" argument really stupid, no offense.

                                        Every company (including Tuta) is legally obligated to cooperate with the police if they are investigating. It is literally a crime not to. If they refused they'd just get sued and shut down - and for the purpose of helping *one* person, they'd harm their other millions of users. The only thing they can do is collect as little as possible so they can have nothing to give them.

                                        Every single web app collects your IP and links it to your account. That's literally just how the internet works. I guess that doesn't apply to the name and the phone number, but isn't that that guy's fault? Proton has very publicly said "if you are being chased/persecuted, our service is not secure enough for you". Proton works perfectly fine without a phone number, so it's on that person for linking it, in my opinion

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                                        • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                          RE: https://nileane.fr/@nileane/116704285750838861

                                          If you’re still using Proton mail:

                                          The company is sponsoring the videos of French far-right / fascist YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

                                          If encryption is part of your vision for a better society, find a better service provider.

                                          UPDATE 2026-06-08: Response from Proton. This comes after mods apparently deleted lots of critical posts in r/ProtonMail.

                                          https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u05xs2/comment/oqgihvq/

                                          #proton #fash

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                                          #194

                                          @slothrop Here's another response I found from the CEO:

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