If you’re still using Proton mail:

[david@social.piconet.work]

@slothrop If you looked into it you’d see there was more to it than that. It was a mistake on the part of Proton and they admitted the mistake. The left needs not to become as bad as the right by jumping to extreme reactions. And insulting me won’t make anything better for anyone. You don’t judge anyone to an extreme degree for a single mistake. That’s what the right do.

[labtoast@social.nouveau.community]

@tempusfelix @slothrop
```
STA:> SAME
STA:> I'm SO MAD
DIR:> Just adding "custom SMTP server" to the pile of tasks towards a personal tech stack.
CNJ:> I think it's important to take action about these things at one's own pace, does no good to burn oneself out.
DIR:> When I have the energy, I will commence the journey for a different email provider.
```

[selflesssloth@social.tchncs.de]

@slothrop jo, stimmt... den hatte ich noch nicht gesehen. Well...

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@david I will judge people on their words, and on their deeds.

And you’re not measuring up.

[secretsloth@mastodon.art]

@slothrop 1. Thank you for the post, it has added significantly to my block list, I'm so sorry you had to put up with so much crap. 2. Has anyone I can't see mentioned an alternative for VPN? I mostly got it because someone suggested it and I could get it on fdroid and it had a built in ad blocker. I have time left on my plan, but frankly, depending on how much is left, would gladly jump ship early to make a point, especially if the new service doesn't cost the moon and works well.

[anhedonie@chaosfem.tw]

@yaxu @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop

> I didn't realise there was a whole sponsor segment

she explicitly told you so? you didn't even read the post you were answering to lmao

Imagine calling yourself a "research fellow" and not bothering to do the most basic fact-checking

the urge to yell at a woman is simply too strong I guess

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@shemjm use a search engine your choice, and find out

[yaxu@post.lurk.org]

@anhedonie @nileane @gotofritz @slothrop Not my finest moment to be fair

[phracker2art@mstdn.social]

@dngrs
Well, what are they supposed to do, turn down obvious growth opportunities based on political affiliation? They have to stay in business. If humanity had transcended capitalism, maybe things would be different, but as it stands we live in a capitalist society where organizations that provide a service need to maximize profit in order to keep providing that service. That's pretty much unavoidable unless you can get crowdfunding like Wikimedia, and even then you still need to reach people.

[shemjm@social.vivaldi.net]

@slothrop yeah I had a look prior to asking. Couldn't find anything fascist related. Although he does seem to be right wing on some issues.

`
Lapierre denies being far-right or fascist, claiming he's "sovereignist" (left-leaning economically, conservative on societal issues). `

Really the left- right talk is not useful. I prefer the political compass.

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@shemjm oh great. Welcome to my blocklist.

[dngrs@chaos.social]

@Phracker2Art there never was a need to maximize profits, that road only leads to crimes. Proton terminated this particular sponsor relationship btw. Protesting works.

[phracker2art@mstdn.social]

@dngrs
So I assume the boycott of Proton is being called off then?

[witchgirls@woof.tech]

@ache Look, I use Tuta myself, but I find the "They gave someone's data to the police!!!" argument really stupid, no offense.

Every company (including Tuta) is legally obligated to cooperate with the police if they are investigating. It is literally a crime not to. If they refused they'd just get sued and shut down - and for the purpose of helping *one* person, they'd harm their other millions of users. The only thing they can do is collect as little as possible so they can have nothing to give them.

Every single web app collects your IP and links it to your account. That's literally just how the internet works. I guess that doesn't apply to the name and the phone number, but isn't that that guy's fault? Proton has very publicly said "if you are being chased/persecuted, our service is not secure enough for you". Proton works perfectly fine without a phone number, so it's on that person for linking it, in my opinion

[witchgirls@woof.tech]

@slothrop Here's another response I found from the CEO:

[witchgirls@woof.tech]

@slothrop TL;DR: It's just more enlightened centrist freeze peach stuff.

Personally, I'm starting to think tech people are all doomed and computers were a mistake and we should probably just start from scratch. Hey I'm a tech person too, we gotta make some sacrifices...

[ache@social.lol]

@witchgirls Fair point.
As you said, 'As little data as possible' isn't the Proton way, it's not the goal. They don't advert to be secure enougth to protect against abusive police requests.

I still think that the internal phone number and email adresse use as a recovery is too much information to hold and that nobody will expect them to share it with the police.
But again, they don't advert themself as secure enougth so ... not in the contract, so blame the user.
Yet you have to notice the user of that behaviour, I understand that they don't expect that.

But right, the "they help the police" isn't the best argument. The other points still hold.

[slothrop@chaos.social]

@witchgirls there’s so many things wrong with this response that I don’t even know where to start, but as a first point, I struggle to take seriously someone who confuses “what you’re legally allowed to say” with “what my company wants to support financially”

Since the Proton CEO is probably (probably) not that stupid, it follows that this is a PR message, aimed at people who aren’t very good at using their brains.

[dngrs@chaos.social]

@Phracker2Art like I'm the coordinator?

[pgiulan@federate.social]

@slothrop Additional context from Proton: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1u2uore/explaining_how_proton_works_with_creators/