I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
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And because of how *useful* this fallacious moral position is, this blindness to injustice and obsession with false unity, they've been *reinforced* in their wrongness for a half century.
Basically, this shit is *deeply woven into their identities*, to the point where they'd rather the Holocaust happen again than people treat the AfD with too much disrespect. Because that's what *being an adult* is, and God knows we need more adulting like that in this fucked world of ours.
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Anyway, you don't have to be reasonable about "AI" (it's existentially-threatening garbage tech with no usefulness), you shouldn't compare marginalized people's struggles to AI-pilled slopnoodles, and the liberal blindness toward false peace is what brought Donald Trump to power and the US to its knees.
11/fin
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This is reflected in every fuckfaced aspect of their benighted ideology, from their confusion about the principle of "Freedom of Speech" to their support of police states (as long as the "right" people control them!!!!) to their adoption of right wing nativism and rhetorical framing, like "well, as long as the people we're denying due process to are *criminals* I wouldn't have a problem!"
When you point this out to them, their brain melts into a black pudding from DnD and attacks.
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@johnzajac Spot on. Matches my experiences as a canvassing trainer swimming in liberal waters.
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And because of how *useful* this fallacious moral position is, this blindness to injustice and obsession with false unity, they've been *reinforced* in their wrongness for a half century.
Basically, this shit is *deeply woven into their identities*, to the point where they'd rather the Holocaust happen again than people treat the AfD with too much disrespect. Because that's what *being an adult* is, and God knows we need more adulting like that in this fucked world of ours.
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@johnzajac the extreme integration of this shit in peoples' self-identity is such a shitshow
so few have any skill/experience at being challenged on it, and thus anything at all contrary to it ends up perceived as a direct assault on their very conception of self
so exhausting, and so unnecesary
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@johnzajac the whole path of safely culture is right-wing shit. It's based on fear not trust, its mess we need to compost.
@hamishcampbell @johnzajac can you expand on that a little bit? "safety culture" is a term with some meaning in other places (e.g. any machinery-exposed manufacturing), and I don't think that's what you meant
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Liberals are singularly incapable of distinguishing between a just peace and MLK's "false peace of injustice".
It's like they're colorblind except in this instance it's not that they can't tell colors apart, it's that they can't figure out what the difference is between the Nazi invaders and the French Resistance.
"What I'm really concerned about," some liberal somewhere must have said in 1943, "is that the French Resistance is killing people, too. How are they different from Nazis?!?"
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@johnzajac (Wasn't it the Trotskyite argument ;that workers should not go fight in a quarrel between bourgeois France and bourgeois Nazi Germany?)
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac What a horrible gaslighty abusive OP.
"We don't want AI at all."
"Too bad. We're adding it anyway."
"Fuck you."
"Ugh, it's so EASY to convince yourself that ABUSE and HARASSMENT are okay! You should be engaging with us in good faith to influence how we implement AI in your browser. Otherwise we'll just do whatever we want." -
I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac what does liberal have to do with this?
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@johnzajac What a horrible gaslighty abusive OP.
"We don't want AI at all."
"Too bad. We're adding it anyway."
"Fuck you."
"Ugh, it's so EASY to convince yourself that ABUSE and HARASSMENT are okay! You should be engaging with us in good faith to influence how we implement AI in your browser. Otherwise we'll just do whatever we want."Liberals definitely have an affinity for DARVO because of its apparent reasonableness.
"Both of these people have a perspective!" they say, as though that's a substantive thing to say.
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac Ah yes. The shitlib addiction to "performative civility." They very much prefer hateful, violent actions that are carried out in a civil manner than any rude or rowdy justice seeking.
So if e.g., you're protesting an oppressive police state that summarily executes certain demographics in alarming numbers don't you DARE block the morning commute or commit the gravest of all sins: property destruction. That's just disrespectful!
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@johnzajac what does liberal have to do with this?
@hermannus @johnzajac That's the name that many adherents of this position use to describe their political view. Unless there's a good reason not to, we generally allow people and groups to choose their own names.
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Anyway, you don't have to be reasonable about "AI" (it's existentially-threatening garbage tech with no usefulness), you shouldn't compare marginalized people's struggles to AI-pilled slopnoodles, and the liberal blindness toward false peace is what brought Donald Trump to power and the US to its knees.
11/fin
to expand on my French resistance example:
"When the slaves rebelled, they *became* their enslavers! Did they evey *try* peaceful resistance?!?" - some liberal in 1850
"Colonialism caused a lot of suffering; but you know what caused a lot of suffering, too? Fighting colonialism." - a liberal scholar in the 1950s, probably
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@johnzajac What a horrible gaslighty abusive OP.
"We don't want AI at all."
"Too bad. We're adding it anyway."
"Fuck you."
"Ugh, it's so EASY to convince yourself that ABUSE and HARASSMENT are okay! You should be engaging with us in good faith to influence how we implement AI in your browser. Otherwise we'll just do whatever we want."@tael @johnzajac indeed, "rather than engage on how it's used" is certainly a take in the moz case, after all the good faith engagement on that it shouldn't be used at all was utterly ignored.
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@hermannus @johnzajac That's the name that many adherents of this position use to describe their political view. Unless there's a good reason not to, we generally allow people and groups to choose their own names.
@wizzwizz4 @johnzajac insert jews instead or christians. Or dems or republicans. It's just plan stupid to judge a group because some have views you oppose
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac ok
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@johnzajac no but really, you are a very clear thinker with convincing positions
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So when these liberals wander around demanding that we leave the "echo chamber" (the fact-based world, in this instance) so we can be considered "reasonable", and in doing so find themselves defending *PLANET-DESTROYING TECHNOLOGIES CREATED BY CARTOONISHLY EVIL ROBBER BARONS*, it's not aberrant: it's how their ideology works.
They will *always* push back on moral thinking to make space for evil, because *that's the core idea behind their politics*.
And they think it's noble.
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
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But that's not even the most planet-destroying liberal thing about Scott Jensen's takes on "AI" discourse on Mastodon:
He also thinks that "AI" propagandists are just like Black people facing racism here and that excluding AI zealots is *the same* as not creating safe and positive spaces for maginalized people.
It's literally one of the whitest, most liberal posts I've *ever read*.
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@johnzajac Wheb someone demand something if mastodon, it really means they don't get shit and their brain is rotten by big tech BS.
You don't demand any change on mastodon. You implement them. And if nobody gives a fuck, well that's that.
This guy can start he's own AI bros friendly instance, and see how they will all be eventually getting blocked.
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Anyway, you don't have to be reasonable about "AI" (it's existentially-threatening garbage tech with no usefulness), you shouldn't compare marginalized people's struggles to AI-pilled slopnoodles, and the liberal blindness toward false peace is what brought Donald Trump to power and the US to its knees.
11/fin
@johnzajac Good thread. I always had frustration growing up thinking liberals were on the same side I was. When I saw echoes of the civil rights movement in the present suddenly it's too "extreme" to even inconvenience the comfortable.
We need to learn to protest like we mean it, not just reverse cheer leading with signs.
But then again, most history classes whitewashed the civil rights movement, downplaying the level of civil disobedience and even rioting that was necessary.
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@wizzwizz4 @johnzajac insert jews instead or christians. Or dems or republicans. It's just plan stupid to judge a group because some have views you oppose
@johnzajac That's not what's happening at all. @hermannus is criticising the views that define the group: it's judging group members exactly to the extent that the criticisms apply.
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@johnzajac Good thread. I always had frustration growing up thinking liberals were on the same side I was. When I saw echoes of the civil rights movement in the present suddenly it's too "extreme" to even inconvenience the comfortable.
We need to learn to protest like we mean it, not just reverse cheer leading with signs.
But then again, most history classes whitewashed the civil rights movement, downplaying the level of civil disobedience and even rioting that was necessary.
@johnzajac Famous quotes:
"A riot is the voice of the unheard.""Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
And if things keep getting worse:
"We're rioting precisely because you people with the power wouldn't be reasonable." -Me, eventually.
