I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
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@johnzajac no but really, you are a very clear thinker with convincing positions
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So when these liberals wander around demanding that we leave the "echo chamber" (the fact-based world, in this instance) so we can be considered "reasonable", and in doing so find themselves defending *PLANET-DESTROYING TECHNOLOGIES CREATED BY CARTOONISHLY EVIL ROBBER BARONS*, it's not aberrant: it's how their ideology works.
They will *always* push back on moral thinking to make space for evil, because *that's the core idea behind their politics*.
And they think it's noble.
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
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But that's not even the most planet-destroying liberal thing about Scott Jensen's takes on "AI" discourse on Mastodon:
He also thinks that "AI" propagandists are just like Black people facing racism here and that excluding AI zealots is *the same* as not creating safe and positive spaces for maginalized people.
It's literally one of the whitest, most liberal posts I've *ever read*.
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@johnzajac Wheb someone demand something if mastodon, it really means they don't get shit and their brain is rotten by big tech BS.
You don't demand any change on mastodon. You implement them. And if nobody gives a fuck, well that's that.
This guy can start he's own AI bros friendly instance, and see how they will all be eventually getting blocked.
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Anyway, you don't have to be reasonable about "AI" (it's existentially-threatening garbage tech with no usefulness), you shouldn't compare marginalized people's struggles to AI-pilled slopnoodles, and the liberal blindness toward false peace is what brought Donald Trump to power and the US to its knees.
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@johnzajac Good thread. I always had frustration growing up thinking liberals were on the same side I was. When I saw echoes of the civil rights movement in the present suddenly it's too "extreme" to even inconvenience the comfortable.
We need to learn to protest like we mean it, not just reverse cheer leading with signs.
But then again, most history classes whitewashed the civil rights movement, downplaying the level of civil disobedience and even rioting that was necessary.
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@wizzwizz4 @johnzajac insert jews instead or christians. Or dems or republicans. It's just plan stupid to judge a group because some have views you oppose
@johnzajac That's not what's happening at all. @hermannus is criticising the views that define the group: it's judging group members exactly to the extent that the criticisms apply.
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@johnzajac Good thread. I always had frustration growing up thinking liberals were on the same side I was. When I saw echoes of the civil rights movement in the present suddenly it's too "extreme" to even inconvenience the comfortable.
We need to learn to protest like we mean it, not just reverse cheer leading with signs.
But then again, most history classes whitewashed the civil rights movement, downplaying the level of civil disobedience and even rioting that was necessary.
@johnzajac Famous quotes:
"A riot is the voice of the unheard.""Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
And if things keep getting worse:
"We're rioting precisely because you people with the power wouldn't be reasonable." -Me, eventually. -
But that's not even the most planet-destroying liberal thing about Scott Jensen's takes on "AI" discourse on Mastodon:
He also thinks that "AI" propagandists are just like Black people facing racism here and that excluding AI zealots is *the same* as not creating safe and positive spaces for maginalized people.
It's literally one of the whitest, most liberal posts I've *ever read*.
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@johnzajac Point #5 is embarrassing. We lost "Black Twitter" because people couldn't check their privilege long enough to listen and build the project with their concerns in mind. Ie: both overt and passive racism.
Trying to claim how we treat AI, a non-sentient man-made creation is the same as how we treated actual human beings with a long history of oppression by the majority in these spaces is malicious.
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@johnzajac Point #5 is embarrassing. We lost "Black Twitter" because people couldn't check their privilege long enough to listen and build the project with their concerns in mind. Ie: both overt and passive racism.
Trying to claim how we treat AI, a non-sentient man-made creation is the same as how we treated actual human beings with a long history of oppression by the majority in these spaces is malicious.
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac Oh, wow, there's still time to shape how lead is going to be introduced to our drinking water? Cool, cool. Can we choose "pipes", or is that too derivative?
"Don't be so ridiculous; that's an emotive fallacy and you know it. Lead-poisoning literally kills people, this just makes coding easier. You're sticking your head in the sand about its benefits."
Lead pipes "just made plumbing easier" for centuries too. Actually, we knew about the harms of lead long before we did anything about it. Leaded petrol was introduced after other forms of environmental lead were outlawed. Because, y'know, people stuck their head in the sand about the harms.
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One of the "adult in the room" things that liberals seem to frequently latch onto, is overriding or "sacrificing" their instincts and intuitions. Unfortunately, this usually seems to include their conscience (among other more basic things, the selection of which seems mostly coloured by unchecked survivorship-bias). Replaced instead with a somewhat low-resolution facsimile of normality, completely disconnected from its place in history. Which, given how easy it is for the normality of the moment to be manipulated by people with several trillion dollars at their disposal, can be somewhat problematic.
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@johnzajac And people wonder how I've become so hostile to liberals claiming we are on the same side.
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to expand on my French resistance example:
"When the slaves rebelled, they *became* their enslavers! Did they evey *try* peaceful resistance?!?" - some liberal in 1850
"Colonialism caused a lot of suffering; but you know what caused a lot of suffering, too? Fighting colonialism." - a liberal scholar in the 1950s, probably
@johnzajac thanks for this. Reminded me of this piece by lovely Tauriq, around the time people were punching Nazis in the face on the street (instead of electing them, giving them tour dates and the like)
https://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2017/jan/31/the-punch-a-nazi-meme-what-are-the-ethics-of-punching-nazis -
Liberals are singularly incapable of distinguishing between a just peace and MLK's "false peace of injustice".
It's like they're colorblind except in this instance it's not that they can't tell colors apart, it's that they can't figure out what the difference is between the Nazi invaders and the French Resistance.
"What I'm really concerned about," some liberal somewhere must have said in 1943, "is that the French Resistance is killing people, too. How are they different from Nazis?!?"
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@johnzajac "Liberals can't figure out the difference between nazi invaders and the french resistance" is one of the best takes I've seen in a while.
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@johnzajac Ah yes. The shitlib addiction to "performative civility." They very much prefer hateful, violent actions that are carried out in a civil manner than any rude or rowdy justice seeking.
So if e.g., you're protesting an oppressive police state that summarily executes certain demographics in alarming numbers don't you DARE block the morning commute or commit the gravest of all sins: property destruction. That's just disrespectful!
@EdCates @johnzajac This is honestly one of my (least) favourite things about "liberal society". You can say to a friend "fuckin' gorgeous night we're having here, innit?" in earshot of a cop in a bad mood, and find yourself with a breach-of-the-peace fine. Or you can shit out one of the most hateful sentences ever uttered, but do it with the tone of civility, and you'll get published on the BBC News as a "respected author".
"Civility" is just shorthand for "a mechanism, defined in the moment, the absence of which becomes the excuse to silence those who have been traumatised by the systems which make rich people rich, less they say or do something inconvenient to those systems".
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@EdCates @johnzajac This is honestly one of my (least) favourite things about "liberal society". You can say to a friend "fuckin' gorgeous night we're having here, innit?" in earshot of a cop in a bad mood, and find yourself with a breach-of-the-peace fine. Or you can shit out one of the most hateful sentences ever uttered, but do it with the tone of civility, and you'll get published on the BBC News as a "respected author".
"Civility" is just shorthand for "a mechanism, defined in the moment, the absence of which becomes the excuse to silence those who have been traumatised by the systems which make rich people rich, less they say or do something inconvenient to those systems".
@McCovican @johnzajac Spot on.
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@McCovican @johnzajac Spot on.
Probably not a coincidence that the liberal also prioritizes paying the cop over funding NHS.
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
USA Liberals and the far right, when the time comes, will always ally with one another temporarily when the alternative is a revolutionary winning. Because USA liberalism is founded on the contradiction of a "free country" that profits off of slavery and the expropriation of working class people
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USA Liberals and the far right, when the time comes, will always ally with one another temporarily when the alternative is a revolutionary winning. Because USA liberalism is founded on the contradiction of a "free country" that profits off of slavery and the expropriation of working class people
@individeweal @johnzajac I would also extend this to European liberalism (and to a lesser extent social democracy)
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@individeweal @johnzajac I would also extend this to European liberalism (and to a lesser extent social democracy)
Liberals aren't liberal anymore. They never were. And this is why I can't deal with their shit.
They talk about their high minded ideals, but they will choose capital over their principles every time. They will choose their own class interests over the material needs of the population as a whole
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I screenshot this because I don't have the energy to throw myself into a pit of half-braindead liberal vipers this morning.
But this *entire thread* is incredibly important, because it's why Donald Trump is president.
This is a thread about how liberals destroyed the world.
@johnzajac the ultimate issue is that the AI supporters would like to tone police us?
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@johnzajac In my case it's precisely because I'm a liberal that I hate AI. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to inform themselves or have meaningful discussions with others, and those are core to liberal politics. Also labour exploitation and environmental destruction are hardly aligned to liberal values, nor is using massive computing power to circumvent the rule of law and undermine democracy. If you're a revolutionary, fine, but your enemy is not liberals, it's the far right
fwiw i don't read this as "liberals are the enemy" but rather "this is a common liberal fallacy which is what can make liberals such a problematic and unreliable ally"
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